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Parallel HEB 5:8

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BI Heb 5:8 ©

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OET (OET-RV)Although he was a son, he learnt obedience from what he suffered

OET-LVAlthough being a_son, he_learned from what things he_suffered the obedience,

SR-GNTΚαίπερ ὢν υἱός, ἔμαθεν ἀφʼ ὧν ἔπαθεν τὴν ὑπακοήν,
   (Kaiper ōn huios, emathen afʼ hōn epathen taʸn hupakoaʸn,)

Key: khaki:verbs, light-green:nominative/subject, orange:accusative/object, pink:genitive/possessor.
Note: Automatic aligning of the OET-RV to the LV is done by some temporary software, hence the OET-RV alignments are incomplete (and may occasionally be wrong).

ULTEven though being a son, he learned obedience from the things which he suffered.

USTAlthough he is God’s Son, he learned what it means to obey God when bad things happened to him.

BSBAlthough He was a Son, He learned obedience from what He suffered.

BLBthough being a Son, He learned obedience from the things He suffered,


AICNTAlthough he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered.

OEBSon though he was, he learned obedience from his sufferings;

WEBBEthough he was a Son, yet learnt obedience by the things which he suffered.

WMBB (Same as above)

NETAlthough he was a son, he learned obedience through the things he suffered.

LSVthough being a Son, [He] learned obedience by the things which He suffered,

FBVEven though he was God's Son, Jesus learned through suffering what obedience really means.[fn]


5:8 The usual translation that Jesus “learned obedience through suffering” could suggest that Jesus was not originally obedient, or that suffering was necessary in order for him to learn—both rather strange ideas to place on Jesus, the pre-existing Son of God. The thought here appears to be that even though Jesus was God's Son, his earthly expereince demonstrated the cost and consequences of obedience. In some ways this parallels Jesus request to have the cup of suffering taken away from him, but then he surrenders his will in obedience to his Father. See Matthew 26:39.

TCNTEven though he was the Son, he learned obedience from what he suffered.

T4TAlthough Christ is God’s own Son, he learned to obey God by suffering before he died.

LEBAlthough he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered,

BBEAnd though he was a Son, through the pain which he underwent, the knowledge came to him of what it was to be under God's orders;

MoffNo Moff HEB book available

WymthAlthough He was God's Son, yet He learned obedience from the sufferings which He endured;

ASVthough he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered;

DRAAnd whereas indeed he was the Son of God, he learned obedience by the things which he suffered:

YLTthrough being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered — the obedience,

Drbythough he were Son, he learned obedience from the things which he suffered;

RVthough he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered;

WbstrThough he was a Son, yet he learned obedience by the things which he suffered;

KJB-1769Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

KJB-1611Though hee were a Sonne, yet learned hee obedience, by the things which he suffered:
   (Modernised spelling is same as from KJB-1769 above, apart from punctuation)

BshpsThough he were the sonne, yet learned he obediece, by these thinges which he suffred:
   (Though he were the son, yet learned he obediece, by these things which he suffered:)

GnvaAnd though he were ye Sonne, yet learned he obedience, by the things which he suffered.
   (And though he were ye/you_all Son, yet learned he obedience, by the things which he suffered. )

CvdlAnd though he was Gods sonne, yet lerned he obedience, by those thinges which he suffred.
   (And though he was Gods son, yet lerned he obedience, by those things which he suffered.)

TNTAnd though he were Goddes sonne yet learned he obediece by tho thynges which he suffered
   (And though he were Goddes son yet learned he obediece by those things which he suffered )

WyclAnd whanne he was Goddis sone, he lernyde obedience of these thingis that be suffride;
   (And when he was Goddis son, he lernyde obedience of these things that be suffered;)

LuthUnd wiewohl er Gottes Sohn war, hat er doch an dem, was er litt, Gehorsam gelernet.
   (And wiewohl he God’s son was, has he though/but at to_him, what/which he litt, Gehorsam gelernet.)

ClVgEt quidem cum esset Filius Dei, didicit ex iis, quæ passus est, obedientiam:[fn]
   (And indeed when/with was Son of_God, didicit from iis, which passus it_is, obedientiam: )


5.8 Didicit, etc. Id est voluntarie suscepit obedientiam usque ad mortem.


5.8 Didicit, etc. That it_is voluntarie suscepit obedientiam until to mortem.

UGNTκαίπερ ὢν υἱός, ἔμαθεν ἀφ’ ὧν ἔπαθεν τὴν ὑπακοήν,
   (kaiper ōn huios, emathen af’ hōn epathen taʸn hupakoaʸn,)

SBL-GNTκαίπερ ὢν υἱός, ἔμαθεν ἀφʼ ὧν ἔπαθεν τὴν ὑπακοήν,
   (kaiper ōn huios, emathen afʼ hōn epathen taʸn hupakoaʸn,)

TC-GNTκαίπερ ὢν υἱός, ἔμαθεν ἀφ᾽ ὧν ἔπαθε τὴν ὑπακοήν,
   (kaiper ōn huios, emathen af hōn epathe taʸn hupakoaʸn, )

Key for above GNTs: yellow:punctuation differs, red:words differ (from our SR-GNT base).


TSNTyndale Study Notes:

5:8 he learned obedience from the things he suffered: Jesus was not disobedient before his suffering, but he walked his path of human experience—all the way to his death on the cross—in complete submission to the Father’s will. We are expected to travel the same path (12:1-11).


UTNuW Translation Notes:

Note 1 topic: guidelines-sonofgodprinciples

υἱός

/a/_son

Here, the word son is an important title for Jesus, the Son of God. Alternate translation: [the Son of God]

Note 2 topic: figures-of-speech / explicit

ἔμαθεν & τὴν ὑπακοήν

˱he˲_learned & ¬the obedience

Here, the clause he learned obedience means that the Son gained new knowledge and experience about obedience. It does not mean that the Son had never “obeyed” before or had to become better at obeying God. The Son has always “obeyed,” but this verse shows that he learned new things about obedience when he suffered. If it would be helpful in your language, you could make this idea more explicit. Alternate translation: [he learned what is required to be obedient] or [he learned more about obedience]

Note 3 topic: figures-of-speech / abstractnouns

τὴν ὑπακοήν

¬the obedience

If your language does not use an abstract noun for the idea of obedience, you could express the idea by using an adjective such as “obedient” or a verb such as “obey.” Alternate translation: [to be obedient]

Note 4 topic: figures-of-speech / extrainfo

ἀφ’ ὧν ἔπαθεν

from what_‹things› ˱he˲_suffered

Here the author does not clarify exactly what the things which he suffered are. These things probably include everything that Jesus suffered during his life up to and including his death. If possible, use a general phrase that could refer to all the “suffering” that Jesus experienced. Alternate translation: [from all the suffering that he experienced]

BI Heb 5:8 ©