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OET (OET-RV) So what did our physical ancestor, Abraham discover about all this?
OET-LV Therefore what we_will_be_saying, to_have_found Abraʼam/(ʼAⱱrāhām) the forefather of_us according_to the_flesh?
SR-GNT Τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν, εὑρηκέναι Ἀβραὰμ τὸν προπάτορα ἡμῶν κατὰ σάρκα; ‡
(Ti oun eroumen, heuraʸkenai Abraʼam ton propatora haʸmōn kata sarka?)
Key: khaki:verbs, orange:accusative/object, pink:genitive/possessor.
Note: Automatic aligning of the OET-RV to the LV is done by some temporary software, hence the OET-RV alignments are incomplete (and may occasionally be wrong).
ULT What then will we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has discovered?
UST You Jews might say, “If what you have said is true, then surely our physical ancestor Abraham found out about it.
BSB § What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, has discovered?
BLB What then shall we say Abraham our father discovered according to the flesh?
AICNT What shall we say then that Abraham, our forefather, [[was found]][fn] according to the flesh, ?
4:1, was found: Later manuscripts add. BYZ TR
OEB What then, it may be asked, are we to say about Abraham, the ancestor of our nation?
WEB What then will we say that Abraham, our forefather, has found according to the flesh?
NET What then shall we say that Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh, has discovered regarding this matter?
LSV What, then, will we say Abraham our father to have found, according to flesh?
FBV Let's take Abraham as an example. From a human viewpoint he is the father of our nation. Let's ask, “What was his experience?”
TCNT What then shall we say [fn]that Abraham our father has discovered according to the flesh?
4:1 that Abraham our father has discovered according to the flesh ¦ that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has discovered NA SBL TH ¦ about Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh WH
T4T Abraham is the revered ancestor of us Jews. So think about what we can conclude from what happened to Abraham about how God can erase the record of our sins. [RHQ]
LEB What then shall we say that Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh, has found?
BBE What, then, may we say that Abraham, our father after the flesh, has got?
MOF No MOF ROM book available
ASV What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh?
DRA What shall we say then that Abraham hath found, who is our father according to the flesh.
YLT What, then, shall we say Abraham our father, to have found, according to flesh?
DBY What shall we say then that Abraham our father according to flesh has found?
RV What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, hath found?
WBS What shall we then say that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
KJB What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
(What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath/has found? )
BB What shall we saye then that Abraham our father, as parteynyng to the flesshe, dyd fynde?
(What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as parteynyng to the flesh, did fynde?)
GNV What shall we say then, that Abraham our father hath found concerning the flesh?
(What shall we say then, that Abraham our father hath/has found concerning the flesh? )
CB What shal we saye the, that Abraha or father as pertayninge to ye flesh dyd fynde?
(What shall we say them, that Abraha or father as pertaining to ye/you_all flesh did fynde?)
TNT What shall we saye then that Abraham oure father as pertayninge to the flesshe dyd finde?
(What shall we say then that Abraham our father as pertaining to the flesh did finde? )
WYC What thanne schulen we seie, that Abraham oure fadir aftir the flesch foond?
(What then should we say, that Abraham our father after the flesch foond?)
LUT Was sagen wir denn von unserm Vater Abraham, daß er gefunden habe nach dem Fleisch?
(What say wir because from unserm father Abraham, that he gefunden have nach to_him flesh?)
CLV Quid ergo dicemus invenisse Abraham patrem nostrum secundum carnem?[fn]
(Quid ergo dicemus invenisse Abraham patrem nostrum after/second carnem?)
4.1 Secundum carnem. Id est ex operibus legis. Quasi dicat: Dicemus quod fuit justus ex eis? non, quia si ex carnali observatione est justus, habet gloriam æternam quæ ex justitia sequitur: sed a se habet eam, non a Deo. Vel, hæc justificatio est in opinione hominum, et non apud Deum. Ad Deum autem habet gloriam: non ergo ex operibus justificatus est. Si ergo non ex operibus justificatus est, unde justificatus est? Sequitur et dicit unde, etc.
4.1 Secundum carnem. Id it_is ex operibus legis. Quasi dicat: Dicemus that fuit justus ex eis? non, because when/but_if ex carnali observatione it_is justus, habet gloriam eternal which ex justitia sequitur: but a se habet eam, not/no a Deo. Vel, this justificatio it_is in opinione hominum, and not/no apud God. Ad God however habet gloriam: not/no ergo ex operibus justificatus est. When/But_if ergo not/no ex operibus justificatus it_is, whence justificatus est? Sequitur and dicit unde, etc.
UGNT τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν, εὑρηκέναι Ἀβραὰμ τὸν προπάτορα ἡμῶν κατὰ σάρκα?
(ti oun eroumen, heuraʸkenai Abraʼam ton propatora haʸmōn kata sarka?)
SBL-GNT Τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν ⸀εὑρηκέναι Ἀβραὰμ τὸν ⸀προπάτορα ⸀ἡμῶν κατὰ σάρκα;
(Ti oun eroumen ⸀heuraʸkenai Abraʼam ton ⸀propatora ⸀haʸmōn kata sarka? )
TC-GNT Τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν [fn]Ἀβραὰμ τὸν πατέρα ἡμῶν εὑρηκέναι κατὰ σάρκα;
(Ti oun eroumen Abraʼam ton patera haʸmōn heuraʸkenai kata sarka?)
4:1 αβρααμ τον πατερα ημων ευρηκεναι ¦ ευρηκεναι αβρααμ τον προπατορα ημων NA SBL TH ¦ αβρααμ τον προπατορα ημων WH
Key for above GNTs: yellow:punctuation differs, red:words differ (from our SR-GNT base).
4:1 Jews in Paul’s day revered Abraham as Israel’s founder. Some Jewish texts claim that Abraham never sinned (Prayer of Manasseh 8; Jubilees 23:10). Others emphasize his obedience to the law of Moses as the basis for his relationship with God (1 Maccabees 2:52; Sirach 44:19-20). However, Paul demonstrates that Abraham’s faith, not his obedience, established his status with God. Abraham’s position as the founder of God’s people demonstrates that justification by faith is central in God’s plan.
Note 1 topic: grammar-connect-logic-result
τί οὖν
what therefore
Here, then indicates that what follows is a response to what Paul said in the previous chapter, especially what he said in 3:27–31. See how you translated What then in 3:1.
Note 2 topic: figures-of-speech / rquestion
τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν, εὑρηκέναι Ἀβραὰμ τὸν προπάτορα ἡμῶν κατὰ σάρκα?
what therefore ˱we˲_/will_be/_saying /to_have/_found Abraham the forefather ˱of˲_us according_to /the/_flesh
In this verse Paul is not asking for information, but is using a question to express the objections that a Jew might have to what Paul said in the previous chapter, especially what he said in 3:27–31. If you would not use a rhetorical question for this purpose in your language, you could translate his words as a statement or an exclamation and communicate the emphasis in another way. Alternate translation: “Then we will say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has surely discovered something!”
Note 3 topic: figures-of-speech / quotemarks
τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν, εὑρηκέναι Ἀβραὰμ τὸν προπάτορα ἡμῶν κατὰ σάρκα?
what therefore ˱we˲_/will_be/_saying /to_have/_found Abraham the forefather ˱of˲_us according_to /the/_flesh
In this verse and the first part of the next verse, Paul is speaking as if he were a non-Christian Jew arguing against Paul. It may be helpful to your readers to indicate this by setting off all of this material with quotation marks or with whatever punctuation or convention your language uses to indicate a quotation.
Note 4 topic: figures-of-speech / exclusive
ἐροῦμεν
˱we˲_/will_be/_saying
In 4:1–9 Paul uses we exclusively to speak of himself and other Jews. Your language may require you to mark these forms. Alternate translation: “will we Jews say”
Note 5 topic: figures-of-speech / infostructure
εὑρηκέναι Ἀβραὰμ τὸν προπάτορα ἡμῶν κατὰ σάρκα
/to_have/_found Abraham the forefather ˱of˲_us according_to /the/_flesh
If it would be more natural in your language, you could reverse the order of these phrases. Alternate translation: “that Abraham has discovered, who is our forefather according to the flesh”
Note 6 topic: figures-of-speech / idiom
κατὰ σάρκα
according_to /the/_flesh
See how you translated according to the flesh in 1:3.