ROM 4:1 Parallel Verse View

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Text critical issues=small word differences Clarity of original=clear Importance=normal (All still tentative.)

Key: khaki:verbs, orange:accusative/object, pink:genitive/possessor.
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ULT What then will we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has discovered?

UST You Jews might say, “If what you have said is true, then surely our physical ancestor Abraham found out about it.

BLB What then shall we say Abraham our father discovered according to the flesh?

AICNT What shall we say then that Abraham, our forefather, [[was found]][fn] according to the flesh, ?

4:1, was found: Later manuscripts add. BYZ TR

OEB What then, it may be asked, are we to say about Abraham, the ancestor of our nation?

WEBBE What then will we say that Abraham, our forefather, has found according to the flesh?

WMBB (Same as above)

NET What then shall we say that Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh, has discovered regarding this matter?

LSV What, then, will we say Abraham our father to have found, according to flesh?

FBV Let's take Abraham as an example. From a human viewpoint he is the father of our nation. Let's ask, “What was his experience?”

TCNT What then shall we say [fn]that Abraham our father has discovered according to the flesh?

4:1 that Abraham our father has discovered according to the flesh ¦ that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has discovered NA SBL TH ¦ about Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh WH

T4T Abraham is the revered ancestor of us Jews. So think about what we can conclude from what happened to Abraham about how God can erase the record of our sins. [RHQ]

LEB What then shall we say that Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh, has found?

BBE What, then, may we say that Abraham, our father after the flesh, has got?

Moff No Moff ROM book available

Wymth What then shall we say that Abraham, our earthly forefather, has gained?

ASV What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh?

DRA What shall we say then that Abraham hath found, who is our father according to the flesh.

YLT What, then, shall we say Abraham our father, to have found, according to flesh?

Drby What shall we say then that Abraham our father according to flesh has found?

RV What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, hath found?

Wbstr What shall we then say that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

KJB-1769 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
(What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath/has found? )

KJB-1611 ¶ What shall we say then, that Abraham our father, as perteining to the flesh, hath found?
(¶ What shall we say then, that Abraham our father, as perteining to the flesh, hath/has found?)

Bshps What shall we saye then that Abraham our father, as parteynyng to the flesshe, dyd fynde?
(What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as parteynyng to the flesh, did fynde?)

Gnva What shall we say then, that Abraham our father hath found concerning the flesh?
(What shall we say then, that Abraham our father hath/has found concerning the flesh? )

Cvdl What shal we saye the, that Abraha or father as pertayninge to ye flesh dyd fynde?
(What shall we say them, that Abraha or father as pertaining to ye/you_all flesh did fynde?)

TNT What shall we saye then that Abraham oure father as pertayninge to the flesshe dyd finde?
(What shall we say then that Abraham our father as pertaining to the flesh did finde? )

Wycl What thanne schulen we seie, that Abraham oure fadir aftir the flesch foond?
(What then should we say, that Abraham our father after the flesch foond?)

Luth Was sagen wir denn von unserm Vater Abraham, daß er gefunden habe nach dem Fleisch?
(What say we/us because from unserm father Abraham, that he gefunden have after to_him flesh?)

ClVg Quid ergo dicemus invenisse Abraham patrem nostrum secundum carnem?[fn]
(What therefore dicemus invenisse Abraham patrem nostrum after/second carnem? )

4.1 Secundum carnem. Id est ex operibus legis. Quasi dicat: Dicemus quod fuit justus ex eis? non, quia si ex carnali observatione est justus, habet gloriam æternam quæ ex justitia sequitur: sed a se habet eam, non a Deo. Vel, hæc justificatio est in opinione hominum, et non apud Deum. Ad Deum autem habet gloriam: non ergo ex operibus justificatus est. Si ergo non ex operibus justificatus est, unde justificatus est? Sequitur et dicit unde, etc.

4.1 After/Second carnem. That it_is from operibus legis. Quasi let_him_say: Dicemus that fuit justus from eis? non, because when/but_if from carnali observatione it_is justus, habet gloriam eternal which from justitia follows: but from se habet eam, not/no from Deo. Vel, these_things justificatio it_is in opinione of_men, and not/no apud God. Ad God however habet gloriam: not/no therefore from operibus justificatus it_is. When/But_if therefore not/no from operibus justificatus it_is, whence justificatus est? Sequitur and dicit unde, etc.

UGNT τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν, εὑρηκέναι Ἀβραὰμ τὸν προπάτορα ἡμῶν κατὰ σάρκα?
(ti oun eroumen, heuraʸkenai Abraʼam ton propatora haʸmōn kata sarka?)

SBL-GNT Τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν ⸀εὑρηκέναι Ἀβραὰμ τὸν ⸀προπάτορα ⸀ἡμῶν κατὰ σάρκα;
(Ti oun eroumen ⸀heuraʸkenai Abraʼam ton ⸀propatora ⸀haʸmōn kata sarka;)

TC-GNT Τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν [fn]Ἀβραὰμ τὸν πατέρα ἡμῶν εὑρηκέναι κατὰ σάρκα;
(Ti oun eroumen Abraʼam ton patera haʸmōn heuraʸkenai kata sarka; )

4:1 αβρααμ τον πατερα ημων ευρηκεναι ¦ ευρηκεναι αβρααμ τον προπατορα ημων NA SBL TH ¦ αβρααμ τον προπατορα ημων WH

Key for above GNTs: yellow:punctuation differs, red:words differ (from our SR-GNT base).

UTN uW Translation Notes:

Note 1 topic: grammar-connect-logic-result

τί οὖν

what therefore

Here, then indicates that what follows is a response to what Paul said in the previous chapter, especially what he said in 3:27–31. See how you translated What then in 3:1.

Note 2 topic: figures-of-speech / rquestion

τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν, εὑρηκέναι Ἀβραὰμ τὸν προπάτορα ἡμῶν κατὰ σάρκα?

what therefore ˱we˲_/will_be/_saying /to_have/_found Abraham the forefather ˱of˲_us according_to /the/_flesh

In this verse Paul is not asking for information, but is using a question to express the objections that a Jew might have to what Paul said in the previous chapter, especially what he said in 3:27–31. If you would not use a rhetorical question for this purpose in your language, you could translate his words as a statement or an exclamation and communicate the emphasis in another way. Alternate translation: [Then we will say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has surely discovered something!]

Note 3 topic: figures-of-speech / quotemarks

τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν, εὑρηκέναι Ἀβραὰμ τὸν προπάτορα ἡμῶν κατὰ σάρκα?

what therefore ˱we˲_/will_be/_saying /to_have/_found Abraham the forefather ˱of˲_us according_to /the/_flesh

In this verse and the first part of the next verse, Paul is speaking as if he were a non-Christian Jew arguing against Paul. It may be helpful to your readers to indicate this by setting off all of this material with quotation marks or with whatever punctuation or convention your language uses to indicate a quotation.

Note 4 topic: figures-of-speech / exclusive

ἐροῦμεν

˱we˲_/will_be/_saying

In 4:1–9 Paul uses we exclusively to speak of himself and other Jews. Your language may require you to mark these forms. Alternate translation: [will we Jews say]

Note 5 topic: figures-of-speech / infostructure

εὑρηκέναι Ἀβραὰμ τὸν προπάτορα ἡμῶν κατὰ σάρκα

/to_have/_found Abraham the forefather ˱of˲_us according_to /the/_flesh

If it would be more natural in your language, you could reverse the order of these phrases. Alternate translation: [that Abraham has discovered, who is our forefather according to the flesh]

Note 6 topic: figures-of-speech / idiom

κατὰ σάρκα

according_to /the/_flesh

See how you translated according to the flesh in 1:3.

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