EXO 17:3 Parallel Verse View

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OET (OET-RV) But the people were very thirsty there and they murmured against Mosheh, so he demanded, “Is this why you brought us out of Egypt? To kill me and my sons and my cattle with thirst?” ???

Key: khaki:verbs.
Note: Automatic aligning of the OET-RV to the LV is done by some temporary software, hence the OET-RV alignments are incomplete (and may occasionally be wrong).

BrLXX Ἐδίψησε δὲ ἐκεῖ ὁ λαὸς ὕδατι· καὶ διεγόγγυσεν ἐκεῖ ὁ λαὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν, λέγοντες, ἱνατί τοῦτο; ἀνεβίβασας ἡμᾶς ἐξ Αἰγύπτου ἀποκτεῖναι ἡμᾶς καὶ τὰ τέκνα ἡμῶν καὶ τὰ κτήνη τῷ δίψει;
(Edipsaʸse de ekei ho laos hudati; kai diegongusen ekei ho laos pros Mōusaʸn, legontes, hinati touto; anebibasas haʸmas ex Aiguptou apokteinai haʸmas kai ta tekna haʸmōn kai ta ktaʸnaʸ tōi dipsei; )

BrTr And the people thirsted there for water, and there the people murmured against Moses, saying, Why is this? hast thou brought us up out of Egypt to slay us and our children and our cattle with thirst?

ULT And the people were thirsty for water there, and the people murmured against Moses. And he said, “Is this why you brought us up from Egypt? To kill me and my sons and my cattle, with thirst?”

UST But the people were very thirsty, and they continued to complain to Moses. They were saying, “You only brought us out here to kill us and our children and cattle by not letting us have any water to drink!”

BSB § But the people thirsted for water there, and they grumbled against Moses: “Why have you brought us out of Egypt—to make us and our children and livestock die of thirst?”

OEB No OEB EXO book available

WEBBE The people were thirsty for water there; so the people murmured against Moses, and said, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt, to kill us, our children, and our livestock with thirst?”

WMBB (Same as above)

NET But the people were very thirsty there for water, and they murmured against Moses and said, “Why in the world did you bring us up out of Egypt – to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst?”

LSV And the people thirst for water there, and the people murmur against Moses, and say, “Why [is] this [that] you have brought us up out of Egypt to put us to death, also our sons and our livestock, with thirst?”

FBV But the people were so thirsty for water there that they went on complaining to Moses, saying, “Why did you have to bring us out of Egypt? Are you trying to kill us and our children and livestock by thirst?”

T4T But the people were very thirsty, and they continued to complain to Moses/me. They were saying things like “Why did you bring us out of Egypt?”, and “Did you bring us here to cause us and our children and livestock to die ◄from thirst/because we had no water to drink► [RHQ]?”

LEB And the people thirsted for water, and the people grumbled against Moses and said, “Why ever[fn] did you bring us up from Egypt to kill me[fn] and my sons and my cattle with thirst?”

17:3 Or “at all”; literally “this”

17:3 The unexpected switch to first-person singular pronouns reflects the fact that the question summarizes a host of angry accusations and self-centered concern

BBE And the people were in great need of water; and they made an outcry against Moses, and said, Why have you taken us out of Egypt to send death on us and our children and our cattle through need of water?

Moff No Moff EXO book available

JPS And the people thirsted there for water; and the people murmured against Moses, and said: 'Wherefore hast thou brought us up out of Egypt, to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst?'

ASV And the people thirsted there for water; and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Wherefore hast thou brought us up out of Egypt, to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst?

DRA So the people were thirsty there for want of water, and murmured against Moses, saying: Why didst thou make us go forth out of Egypt, to kill us and our children, and our beasts with thirst?

YLT and the people thirst there for water, and the people murmur against Moses, and say, 'Why [is] this? — thou hast brought us up out of Egypt, to put us to death, also our sons and our cattle, with thirst.'

Drby And the people thirsted there for water; and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Why is it that thou hast brought us up out of Egypt, to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst?

RV And the people thirsted there for water; and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Wherefore hast thou brought us up out of Egypt, to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst?

Wbstr And the people thirsted there for water; and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Why is this that thou hast brought us out of Egypt to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst?

KJB-1769 And the people thirsted there for water; and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Wherefore is this that thou hast brought us up out of Egypt, to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst?
(And the people thirsted there for water; and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Wherefore is this that thou/you hast brought us up out of Egypt, to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst? )

KJB-1611 And the people thirsted there for water, and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Wherefore is this that thou hast brought vs vp out of Egypt, to kill vs and our children, and our cattell with thirst?
(Modernised spelling is same as from KJB-1769 above, apart from punctuation)

Bshps There the people thirsted for water, and ye people murmured agaynst Moyses, and saide: wherefore hast thou thus brought vs vp out of Egypt, to kil me, & my children, and my cattell with thyrst?
(There the people thirsted for water, and ye/you_all people murmured against Moses, and said: wherefore hast thou/you thus brought us up out of Egypt, to kil me, and my children, and my cattle with thyrst?)

Gnva So the people thirsted there for water, and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Wherefore hast thou thus brought vs out of Egypt to kill vs and our children and our cattel with thirst?
(So the people thirsted there for water, and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Wherefore hast thou/you thus brought us out of Egypt to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst? )

Cvdl But whan the people thyrsted there for water, they murmured agaynst Moses, & sayde: Wherfore hast thou caused vs to come out of Egipte? to let vs, oure children, and oure catell dye of honger?
(But when the people thyrsted there for water, they murmured against Moses, and said: Wherefore hast thou/you caused us to come out of Egypt? to let us, our children, and our cattle dye of hunger?)

Wycl Therfor the puple thristide there for the scarsnesse of watir, and grutchiden ayens Moises, and seide, Whi madist thou vs to go out of Egipt, to sle vs, and oure fre children, and beestis, for thrist?
(Therefore the people thristide there for the scarsnesse of water, and grutchiden against Moses, and said, Whi madist thou/you us to go out of Egypt, to slay/kill us, and our free children, and beasts/animals, for thrist?)

Luth Da aber das Volk daselbst dürstete nach Wasser, murreten sie wider Mose und sprachen: Warum hast du uns lassen aus Ägypten ziehen, daß du uns, unsere Kinder und Vieh Durst sterben ließest?
(So but the people there dürstete after water, murreten they/she/them against Mose and said: Warum have you us/to_us/ourselves lassen out_of Egypt ziehen, that you uns, unsere children and Vieh Durst die ließest?)

ClVg Sitivit ergo ibi populus præ aquæ penuria, et murmuravit contra Moysen, dicens: Cur fecisti nos exire de Ægypto, ut occideres nos, et liberos nostros, ac jumenta siti?[fn]
(Sitivit therefore there populus præ awhich penuria, and murmuravit on_the_contrary Moysen, saying: Cur fecisti we exire about Ægypto, as occideres we, and liberos ours, ac yumenta siti? )

17.3 Sitivit ergo ibi populus, etc. ORIG., ubi supra. Alia littera: Sitivit, inquit, populus aquam, et murmurabat adversus Moysen. Suffecit dicere quia sitivit, quid opus fuit addere aquam? Non est superflua adjectio. Sunt ergo diversæ sites, et quisque habet propriam. Qui boni sunt, esuriunt et sitiunt justitiam Matth. 5.. Alii quoque dicunt: Sitivit anima mea ad te, Deus Psal. 41.. Qui vero sunt peccatores patiuntur non sitim aquæ, non famem panis, sed audiendi verbum Dei. Sitivit ergo populus aquam, qui debuit sitire justitiam. Sed Deus eruditor infantium, magister insipientium, corrigit culpas et emendat errores, dicens ad Moysen ut sumat virgam, et percutiat petram, et educat aquas. Vult enim eos jam de petra bibere et proficere, et ad interiora mysteria venire. Murmuraverunt enim adversus Moysen, ideo jubet Dominus ut ostendat eis petram de qua bibant. Si quis enim est qui legens Moysen, murmurat adversus eum, et displicet ei lex secundum litteram, quia in multis non videtur habere consequentiam, ostendit ei Moyses petram, quæ est Christus, ut inde bibat et sitim reficiat. Sed hæc petra non dat aquas nisi percussa, percussa vero fontes producit: percussus enim Christus, et in cruce mactatus, Novi Testamenti fontes produxit. Unde Zach. 8: Percutiam pastorem, et dispergentur oves gregis. Nisi enim fuisset percussus, et exisset sanguis et aqua de latere ejus, omnes sitim verbi Dei pateremur. Unde: Bibebant autem de spiritali, consequente eos petra: petra autem erat Christus I Cor. 10.. ISID. Sitiens populus pro aqua murmuravit contra Moysen: ideo jubet Deus ut ostendat eis petrum ex qua bibant. Si quis autem legens Moysen murmurat adversus eum, et displicet ei littera legis, ostendit ei Moyses petram, quæ est Christus, et ducit ad ipsam, unde bibat et sitim reficiat.

17.3 Sitivit therefore there populus, etc. ORIG., where supra. Alia littera: Sitivit, inquit, populus waterm, and murmurabat adversus Moysen. Suffecit dicere because sitivit, quid opus fuit addere aquam? Non it_is superflua adyectio. Sunt therefore diversæ sites, and quisque habet propriam. Who boni are, esuriunt and sitiunt justitiam Matth. 5.. Alii too dicunt: Sitivit anima mea to you(sg), God Psal. 41.. Who vero are peccatores patiuntur not/no sitim aquæ, not/no famem panis, but audiendi the_word of_God. Sitivit therefore populus waterm, who debuit sitire justitiam. But God eruditor infantium, magister insipientium, corrects culpas and emendat errores, saying to Moysen as sumat rod/staffm, and percutiat petram, and educat waters. Vult because them yam about petra to_drink and proficere, and to interiora mysteria venire. Murmuraverunt because adversus Moysen, ideo yubet Master as ostendat to_them petram about which bibant. When/But_if who/any because it_is who legens Moysen, murmurat adversus him, and displicet to_him lex after/second litteram, because in multis not/no videtur habere consequentiam, ostendit to_him Moyses petram, which it_is Christus, as inde bibat and sitim reficiat. But these_things petra not/no dat waters nisi percussa, percussa vero fontes producit: percussus because Christus, and in cruce mactatus, Novi Testamenti fontes produxit. Unde Zach. 8: Percutiam pastorem, and dispergentur oves gregis. Nisi because fuisset percussus, and exisset sanguis and water about latere his, everyone sitim verbi of_God pateremur. Whence: Bibebant however about spiritali, consequente them petra: petra however was Christus I Cor. 10.. ISID. Sitiens populus for water murmuravit on_the_contrary Moysen: ideo yubet God as ostendat to_them petrum from which bibant. When/But_if who/any however legens Moysen murmurat adversus him, and displicet to_him littera legis, ostendit to_him Moyses petram, which it_is Christus, and ducit to ipsam, whence bibat and sitim reficiat.

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The Route of the Exodus

Exodus 13-19; Numbers 33

Like several other events recorded in Scripture, the Bible’s account of the Israelites’ journey from Egypt to Mount Sinai includes an abundance of geographical references, yet it remains one of the most hotly debated topics among scholars, and numerous theories have been offered. The vast majority of geographical references provided in the story are disputed, including the place where the Israelites crossed the Red Sea, the location of Mount Sinai (see Proposed Locations for Mount Sinai map), and the various stops along the Israelites’ journey. A few locations have been established with some degree of scholarly consensus, but even these are not without opposing viewpoints. Amidst this incredible diversity of opinion, however, a single verse provides one of the most helpful clues for weighing the merits of one viewpoint over another: “By the way of Mount Seir it takes eleven days to reach Kadesh-barnea from Horeb” (Deuteronomy 1:2). For those who assume the Bible’s account to be trustworthy, this verse appears to require the following for any theory to be considered viable: 1) Kadesh-barnea and Mount Sinai must have been located at a distance from each other that could reasonably have been expected to take eleven days for an entire nation of people with small children, flocks, equipment, and perhaps even elderly members to travel on foot; and 2) the pace established by this distance over eleven days should most likely be considered the typical pace for the Israelites as they traveled from place to place along the other parts of the journey. This two-pronged test clearly strains many of the theories put forth to this point, especially when one factors in the time references given for the start of the journey (Exodus 12:6; Numbers 33:3), the middle of the journey (Exodus 16:1; Numbers 33:8), and the end of the journey (Exodus 19:1). In short, the journey from Rameses to the Wilderness of Sin took 31 days, since it included the 15th day of the second month, and the rest of the journey took another 16 days, assuming they arrived at Mount Sinai on the 15th day (not the first day, etc.) of the third month. Along with these criteria, a theory’s overall congruence with other established geographical and archeological data should bolster its credibility over other proposals. Another consideration is the extreme similarity between the events at Rephidim (Exodus 17) and the events at Kadesh-barnea (Numbers 20:1-13; 27:12-14; Deuteronomy 32:51; Ezekiel 47:19; 48:28), raising the question of whether Rephidim (meaning “resting places”) is in fact Kadesh-barnea. With these things in mind, the map below proposes a route for the exodus that meets virtually all of these criteria. A careful analysis and explanation of all the elements of the map is far beyond the scope of this article, but a few key points should be noted. The term Red Sea, in addition to referring to what we now regard it, must have also applied to the interconnected lakes and marshlands that lay along what is now the Suez Canal. Also, the portion of the journey that passed through the wilderness for three days without water (Exodus 15:22; Numbers 33:8) may have been comprised of a partial first day, a full second day, and a partial third day, much like Jesus’ time in the tomb is reckoned as three days in Matthew 12:40. Most notably, Mount Sinai is placed on this map at Gebel Khashm et-Tarif, which is appropriately located near, but not in, Midian (Exodus 3:1; 18:5; Numbers 10:29-30). It is also located 89 miles from Kadesh-barnea (assuming Kadesh is at Tall al-Quderat), which establishes a reasonable pace of 7.6 miles (12.2 km) per day to travel between them in 11 days. This lines up well with several known sources of water along that route (e.g., `Ain Qedeis [Hazar-addar?], Tamilat Suwelima [Hor-haggiggad?], and the spring at Kuntillet al-Girafi [unknown ancient identification]). This general pace then synchronizes very well with the timetable and distances required by this map for the other parts of the journey. The distance from Rameses to the Wilderness of Sin (where it is located here) could be completed in under 26 days, leaving an acceptable buffer of about 5 days for the parting of the Red Sea and perhaps a slower pace through the Wilderness of Shur/Etham. The entire journey took about 60 days, and the journey from the Wilderness of Sin to Mount Sinai took about 29 days. This leaves an acceptable buffer of time to complete the rest of the journey (about 16 days of travel) with a very adequate two weeks of extra time for Jethro to visit Moses and the Israelites to do battle with the Amalekites (Exodus 17-18). It should be noted that this timetable generally assumes (but does not necessarily require) that travel continued on sabbath days, but Scripture does not make clear whether travel was prohibited as work prior to the giving of the law at Mount Sinai.

Parallel EXO 17:3

The Route of the Exodus