REV 12:8 Parallel Verse View

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Text critical issues=small word differences Clarity of original=clear Importance to us=normal (All still tentative.)

Key: khaki:verbs, light-green:nominative/subject, pink:genitive/possessor, cyan:dative/indirect object, red:negative.
Note: Automatic aligning of the OET-RV to the LV is done by some temporary software, hence the RV alignments are incomplete (and may occasionally be wrong).

ULT But he was not strong enough, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven.

UST But the dragon lost the battle, and God did not allow the dragon and his angels to stay in heaven after that.

BSB [But] [the dragon] was not strong enough, [and] no longer [was] any place found in heaven for [him and his angels].

BLB And he did not have strength, nor was found a place for them any longer in heaven.

AICNT And they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven.

OEB he did not prevail; and there was no place left for them any longer in the heavens.

WEBBE They didn’t prevail. No place was found for them any more in heaven.

WMBB (Same as above)

NET But the dragon was not strong enough to prevail, so there was no longer any place left in heaven for him and his angels.

LSV and they did not prevail, nor was their place found anymore in Heaven;

FBV but he was not strong enough, and they could no longer remain in heaven.

TCNT But [fn]he did not prevail, and there was no longer any place found for [fn]him in heaven.

12:8 he 𝔐^C,K [61.8%] ¦ they 𝔐^A ECM TH TR [36.9%]

12:8 him 𝔐^C,K [62.7%] ¦ them 𝔐^A CT TR [22.6%] • MSS [6.5%]

T4T But the dragon did not win the battle, so God did not allow the dragon and his angels to stay in heaven any longer.

LEB And they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven.

BBE And they were overcome, and there was no more place for them in heaven.

Moff but he failed, and there was no place for them in heaven any longer.

Wymth The Dragon fought and so did his angels; but they were defeated, and there was no longer any room found for them in Heaven.

ASV and they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.

DRA And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.

YLT and they did not prevail, nor was their place found any more in the heaven;

Drby and he prevailed not, nor was their place found any more in the heaven.

RV And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(And they prevailed not, neither was their place found anymore in heaven. )

SLT And were not strong; nor was place more found for them in heaven.

Wbstr And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

KJB-1769 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(And prevailed not; neither was their place found anymore in heaven. )

KJB-1611 And preuailed not, neither was their place found any more in heauen.
(Modernised spelling is same as from KJB-1769 above, apart from punctuation)

Bshps And preuayled not, neither was their place founde any more in heauen.
(Modernised spelling is same as from KJB-1769 above, apart from punctuation)

Gnva But they preuailed not, neither was their place found any more in heauen.
(But they prevailed not, neither was their place found anymore in heaven. )

Cvdl and preuayled not, nether was their place founde eny more in heauen.
(and prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.)

TNT and prevaylled not: nether was their place founde eny more in heven.
(and prevaylled not: neither was their place found any more in heaven. )

Wycl and thei hadden not myyt, nether the place of hem was foundun more in heuene.
(and they had not might, neither the place of hem was found more in heaven.)

Luth und siegeten nicht; auch ward ihre Stätte nicht mehr funden im Himmel.
(and wonn not; also what/which their/her site/place not more found in_the heaven.)

ClVg et non valuerunt, neque locus inventus est eorum amplius in cælo.[fn]
(and not/no valuerunt, nor place found it_is their more in/into/on the_sky. )

12.8 Non valuerunt. Removere auxilia angelorum, quia non poterunt Ecclesiam ducere in peccatum.

12.8 Not/No valuerunt. Removere auxilia of_messengers/angels, because not/no they_will_be_able assembly/church to_lead in/into/on sin.

UGNT καὶ οὐκ ἴσχυσαν, οὐδὲ τόπος εὑρέθη αὐτῶν ἔτι ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ.
(kai ouk isⱪusan, oude topos heurethaʸ autōn eti en tōi ouranōi.)

SBL-GNT καὶ οὐκ ⸀ἴσχυσεν, οὐδὲ τόπος εὑρέθη ⸀αὐτῶν ἔτι ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ.
(kai ouk ⸀isⱪusen, oude topos heurethaʸ ⸀autōn eti en tōi ouranōi.)

RP-GNT καὶ οὐκ ἴσχυσεν, οὐδὲ τόπος εὑρέθη αὐτῷ ἔτι ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ.
(kai ouk isⱪusen, oude topos heurethaʸ autōi eti en tōi ouranōi.)

TC-GNT καὶ οὐκ [fn]ἴσχυσεν, [fn]οὐδὲ τόπος [fn]εὑρέθη αὐτῷ ἔτι ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ.
(kai ouk isⱪusen, oude topos heurethaʸ autōi eti en tōi ouranōi. )

12:8 ισχυσεν 𝔐^C,K [61.8%] ¦ ισχυσαν 𝔐^A ECM TH TR [36.9%]

12:8 ουδε 𝔐^A−,C,K [79.2%] ¦ ουτε 𝔐^A+ TR [20.4%]

12:8 ευρεθη αυτω 𝔐^C,K [62.7%] ¦ ευρεθη αυτων 𝔐^A CT TR [22.6%] ¦ αυτων ευρεθη MSS [6.5%]

Key for above GNTs: red:words differ (from our SR-GNT base).

SOTN SIL Open Translator’s Notes:

Section 12:1–17: The woman fled from the dragon

In this section, John saw several signs or symbols representing spiritual reality. The first sign was a woman, representing the people of God. The second sign was a dragon, representing Satan. The woman was about to give birth, and the dragon wanted to kill the child. The child is symbolic of Jesus as the Christ. God took the son to heaven and protected the woman.

In 12:7–12, John interrupted the story of the woman and the dragon to tell about the war between the dragon and the angels. These verses help explain why the dragon wanted to kill the woman. In 12:13, John continued the story of the woman and the dragon.

Other examples of headings for this section are:

The sign of the dragon chasing the woman

The vision of the woman and the dragon

The spiritual conflict of God’s people and Satan

12:8a

But the dragon was not strong enough,

But the dragon did not have enough strength/power to win,
But the dragon lost the war,

the dragon was not strong enough: There is a textual issue here:

Some Greek manuscripts have he. For example:
he was too weak (REB) (BSB, NIV, GNT, NLT, GW, CEV, NET, REB, ESV, NCV, KJVThe KJV has no pronoun here, but the Textus Receptus has the singular verb indicating “he.”)
Some Greek manuscripts have they. For example:
they were defeated (RSV) (RSV, NJB, NASB, NABRE)

It is recommended that you follow option (1). The clause here focuses on the dragon as the leader. But both the dragon and his angels lost the war.

the dragon: The Greek is literally “he.” The pronoun refers to the dragon, as the BSB makes explicit. In some languages people may think this pronoun refers to Michael. If that is true in your language, you may want to clearly refer to the dragon, as the BSB models.

was not strong enough: This phrase indicates that the dragon and his army lost the war. Other ways to translate this phrase are:

was too weak (REB)

was defeated (GNT)

lost the battle (NLT)

12:8b

and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels.

and they were no longer permitted to enter heaven.
so the dragon and his demons were not allowed to be in heaven anymore.

no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels: This clause indicates that God no longer allowed them into heaven. Other ways to translate this clause are:

there was no longer any place for them in heaven (RSV)

he and his angels were not allowed to stay in heaven any longer (GNT)

God no longer permitted them to enter heaven

they were forced out of heaven

UTN uW Translation Notes:

Note 1 topic: writing-pronouns

οὐκ ἴσχυσαν

not prevailed

The pronoun he refers to the dragon, not to Michael. It may be helpful to clarify this for your readers. Alternate translation: [the dragon was not strong enough]

Note 2 topic: figures-of-speech / metonymy

οὐκ ἴσχυσαν

not prevailed

John means by association that the dragon was not strong enough to prevail against Michael and his army. If it would be helpful in your language, you could use an equivalent expression or express the meaning plainly. Alternate translation: [he was not able to prevail]

Note 3 topic: figures-of-speech / activepassive

τόπος εὑρέθη αὐτῶν

˓a˒_place ˓was˒_found ˱for˲_them

If your language does not use this passive form, you could express the idea in active form or in another way that is natural in your language. Alternate translation: [could anyone find a place for them]

Parallel REV 12:8

Section 12:1–17: The woman fled from the dragon

12:8a

12:8b