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Parallel JOS 17:12

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OET (OET-RV) But Menasheh’s descendants weren’t able to take possession of those cities, so the Kena’anim (Canaanites) continued to live in the region.[ref]


17:12-13: Jdg 1:27-28.OET logo mark

OET-LV And_not the_descendants_of Mənashsheh they_were_able to_take_possession_of DOM the_cities the_these and_ the_Kənaˊₐnī/(Canaanite)[s] _he_was_determined to_dwell on_the_earth (the)_this.OET logo mark

UHB וְ⁠לֹ֤א יָכְלוּ֙ בְּנֵ֣י מְנַשֶּׁ֔ה לְ⁠הוֹרִ֖ישׁ אֶת־הֶֽ⁠עָרִ֣ים הָ⁠אֵ֑לֶּה וַ⁠יּ֨וֹאֶל֙ הַֽ⁠כְּנַעֲנִ֔י לָ⁠שֶׁ֖בֶת בָּ⁠אָ֥רֶץ הַ⁠זֹּֽאת׃ ‡
   (və⁠loʼ yākəlū bənēy mənashsheh lə⁠hōriysh ʼet-he⁠ˊārim hā⁠ʼēlleh va⁠yyōʼel ha⁠kkənaˊₐniy lā⁠sheⱱet bā⁠ʼāreʦ ha⁠zzoʼt.)

Key: khaki:verbs.
Note: Automatic aligning of the OET-RV to the LV is done by some temporary software, hence the OET-RV alignments are incomplete (and may occasionally be wrong).

BrLXX Καὶ οὐκ ἠδυνάσθησαν οἱ υἱοὶ Μανασσῆ ἐξολοθρεῦσαι τὰς πόλεις ταύτας· καὶ ἤρχετο ὁ Χαναναῖος κατοικεῖν ἐν τῇ γῇ ταύτῃ.
   (Kai ouk aʸdunasthaʸsan hoi huioi Manassaʸ exolothreusai tas poleis tautas; kai aʸrⱪeto ho Ⱪananaios katoikein en taʸ gaʸ tautaʸ.)

BrTr And the sons of Manasse were not able to destroy these cities; and the Chananite began to dwell in [fn]that land.


17:12 Gr. this.


ULT But the sons of Manasseh were not able to possess these cities, for the Canaanite was determined to dwell in this land.

UST The men of the tribe of Manasseh were not able to force the people who lived in those cities to leave. The Canaanite people resisted them and continued to live in their land.

BSB & MSB But the descendants of Manasseh were unable to occupy these cities, because the Canaanites were determined to stay in this land.

OEB But the Manassites could not evict the people of these towns. The Canaanites clung to this country.

WEBBE & WMBB Yet the children of Manasseh couldn’t drive out the inhabitants of those cities; but the Canaanites would dwell in that land.

NET But the men of Manasseh were unable to conquer these cities; the Canaanites managed to remain in those areas.

LSV And the sons of Manasseh have not been able to occupy these cities, and the Canaanite is desirous to dwell in this land,

FBV But the descendants of Manasseh could not take possession of these towns because the Canaanites were determined to go on occupying the land.

T4T The men of the tribe of Manasseh were not able to force the people who lived in those cities to leave, so the people of the Canaan people-group continued to live in those cities.

LEB But the descendants[fn] of Manasseh were not able to take possession of these towns; the Canaanites[fn] were determined to live in this land.


17:12 Or “sons”

17:12 Hebrew “Canaanite”

BBE But the children of Manasseh were not able to make the people of those towns go out; but the Canaanites would go on living in that land.

Moff but the Manassites could not evict the natives of these towns. The Canaanites clung to this country.

JPS Yet the children of Manasseh could not drive out the inhabitants of those cities; but the Canaanites were resolved to dwell in that land.

ASV Yet the children of Manasseh could not drive out the inhabitants of those cities; but the Canaanites would dwell in that land.

DRA Neither could the children of Manasses overthrow these cities, but the Chanaanite began to dwell in his land.

YLT And the sons of Manasseh have not been able to occupy these cities, and the Canaanite is desirous to dwell in this land,

Drby But the children of Manasseh could not dispossess [the inhabitants of] those cities; and the Canaanites would dwell in that land.

RV Yet the children of Manasseh could not drive out the inhabitants of those cities; but the Canaanites would dwell in that land.

SLT And the sons of Manasseh will not be able to dispossess these cities; and the Canaanite will dwell in that land.

Wbstr Yet the children of Manasseh could not expel the inhabitants of those cities; but the Canaanites would dwell in that land.

KJB-1769 Yet the children of Manasseh could not drive out the inhabitants of those cities; but the Canaanites would dwell in that land.

KJB-1611 Yet the children of Manasseh could not driue out the inhabitants of those cities, but the Canaanites would dwell in that land.
   (Modernised spelling is same as from KJB-1769 above, apart from punctuation)

Bshps Yet the children of Manasses coulde not ouercome those cities: but the Chanaanites presumed to dwell in the same lande.
   (Yet the children of Manasses could not overcome those cities: but the Canaanites presumed to dwell in the same land.)

Gnva Yet the children of Manasseh coulde not destroy those cities, but the Canaanites dwelled still in that land.
   (Yet the children of Manasseh could not destroy those cities, but the Canaanites dwelled still in that land.)

Cvdl And the children of Manasse coude not dryue awaye the inhabiters of these cities, but the Cananites beganne to dwell in the same londe.
   (And the children of Manasse could not drive away the inhabitants of these cities, but the Canaanites began to dwell in the same land.)

Wycl And the sones of Manasses miyten not distrie these citees, but Cananei bigan to dwelle in this lond.
   (And the sons of Manasses might not destroy these cities, but Cananei began to dwell in this land.)

Luth Und die Kinder Manasse konnten diese Städte nicht einnehmen, sondern die Kanaaniter fingen an zu wohnen in demselbigen Lande.
   (And the children Manasseh could this/these cities not take_up/occupy, rather the Canaanite(s) started at/to to/for live/reside in the_same land.)

ClVg Nec potuerunt filii Manasse has civitates subvertere, sed cœpit Chananæus habitare in terra sua.[fn]
   (Neither they_could children Manasseh has cities to_overthrow, but he_began Canaanite to_live in/into/on earth/land his_own.)


17.12 Nec potuerunt. ADAM., hom. 22 in Jos. Chananæi tertio dicuntur esse in filiis Ephrem, etc., usque ad exterminari a nobis dicitur Chananæus. ADAM., nom. 22. Illud quoque prætereundum est, etc., usque ad in dotem transcribit.


17.12 Neither they_could. ADAM., man. 22 in/into/on Yoshua. Canaanites third are_said to_be in/into/on to_the_children Ephrem, etc., until to to_be_banished from us it_is_said Canaanite. ADAM., nom. 22. It/this/that too to_be_passed_by it_is, etc., until to in/into/on dowry copies.


HAP Hebrew accents and phrasing: See Allan Johnson's Hebrew accents and phrasing analysis.

SOTN SIL Open Translator’s Notes:

Section 16:1–17:18 The clans of Ephraim and Manasseh received their land

This section describes the boundaries of the land given to Ephraim and to Manasseh, and the towns within each of their lands.

17:12a

But the descendants of Manasseh were unable to occupy these cities,

But the descendants of Manasseh were unable to occupy these cities: The phrase the descendants of Manasseh refers to the clan of Manasseh.

But the clan of Manasseh was not able to conquer those towns

But the descendants of Manasseh clan could not make the Canaanite people leave those towns

17:12b

because the Canaanites were determined to stay in this land.

because the Canaanites were determined to stay in this land: Here are some other ways to translate this part of the verse:

The people of Canaan were determined to live in the land

The Canaan people continued to live there


UTN uW Translation Notes:

Note 1 topic: figures-of-speech / genericnoun

הַֽ⁠כְּנַעֲנִ֔י

(Some words not found in UHB: and=not could sons_of Mənashsheh to,take_possession_of DOM the,cities the=these and,he_was_determined the,Canaanite[s] to,dwell on_the=earth (the),this )

The author is not referring to a specific Canaanite. He means the Canaanite people group in general. It may be more natural in your language to express this meaning by using a plural form. Alternate translation: [the Canaanites]


BMM BibleMapper.com Maps:

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Tribal Allotments of the Promised Land

After the Israelites had conquered portions of the Promised Land and Joshua had grown old, the Lord directed him to divide the rest of the land among the tribes of Israel as their inheritance (Joshua 13-20). The eastern tribes had already been allotted their land under Moses’ leadership (Numbers 32), but they continued to help the other tribes drive out the Canaanites from land west of the Jordan River. The Lord also instructed the Israelites to designate several cities of refuge, where someone could flee for protection from an avenger if they accidentally killed someone (Numbers 35; Joshua 20).

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Poster Map of the Tribe of Manasseh (West) and Its Surroundings, circa 1200 B.C.

Though Manasseh’s descendants formed only half the tribe of Joseph (the other half being Ephraim) and its population was surpassed by Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Dan, and Asher (Numbers 26) at the time of their entry in Canaan, Manasseh occupied one of the largest allotments among the tribes of Israel, rivaling even the royal tribe of Judah. Half of Manasseh’s allotted territory was located technically outside the Promised Land of Canaan in the region commonly referred to as the Transjordan (“across the Jordan”), which was seized from King Og as the Israelites approached Canaan from the southeast and prepared to enter the land (Numbers 32:33; Deuteronomy 3:13; Joshua 13; see “Israel Defeats Og and Sihon” map). The other half of its territory (often referred to as West Manasseh) lay in the central region of the Promised Land, and the tribe of Manasseh, sometimes referred to by the name of Machir, Manasseh’s son, was involved in several key events in the early life of Israel. They participated in the victory of Deborah and Barak over Sisera (Judges 5:14; see “Deborah and Barak Defeat Sisera” map) as well as the victory of Gideon (who was from Manasseh) over the Midianites (Judges 7:23; see “Gideon Defeats the Midianites” map). After Gideon died, his son Abimelech briefly made himself king over Shechem and also attacked the town of Thebez in the territory of Manasseh (Judges 9). Manassites were among those who joined David before the battle at Mount Gilboa and also among those who came to make him king at Hebron (1 Chronicles 12; see “The Battle at Mount Gilboa” map and “David and Ish-bosheth” map). Many Manassites were also among those who humbled themselves and accepted Hezekiah’s invitation to attend the Passover in Jerusalem (2 Chronicles 30:11).

West Manasseh’s boundaries eventually stretched from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, and that is how they are drawn on virtually all maps of the tribe’s territory. But this author is convinced that a careful reading of Joshua 16-17 (particularly Joshua 17:7-12) indicates that, technically speaking, Manasseh’s initial allotment included only the western portion of their full allotment, that is, the land to the west of Tappuah, Shechem, and En-gannim and to the south of Asher (see “Poster Map of the Tribe of Zebulun and Its Surroundings circa 1200 B.C.” map and its discussion regarding southern Asher), as shown on this map (see also 1 Kings 4:10). But the tribe of Joseph (that is, Manasseh and Ephraim) complained to Joshua that their allotted territory in Canaan was not large enough for their growing populations (Joshua 17:14-18). So Joshua responded: “If you are a numerous people, go up to the forest, and clear ground there for yourselves in the land of the Perizzites and the Rephaim” (Joshua 17:15). Then it appears that the tribe of Joseph complained further that even this additional hill country would not be enough, yet they were not confident that they could take land from the Canaanites in the Jezreel Valley (Joshua 17:16). But Joshua assured them, “Since you are so large and strong, you will be given more than one portion. The forests of the hill country will be yours as well. Clear as much of the land as you wish, and take possession of its farthest corners. And you will drive out the Canaanites from the valleys, too, even though they are strong and have iron chariots” (Joshua 17:17-18, NLT). This additional allotment–the forested hill country of the Perizzites and the Rephaim–was likely the mountainous region just north of Shechem and the surrounding towns of Tirzah, Thebez, and Bezek. This is supported by Jacob’s comment in Genesis 34:30 that Simeon and Levi had made him “odious to the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites and the Perizzites” when they slaughtered the men of Shechem for assaulting their sister. Judges 1:4-5 also references a battle fought against the Canaanites and the Perizzites at Bezek. Prior to the Israelites’ entry into Canaan, Perizzites apparently lived in the hill country near Bethel and Ai as well (Genesis 13:7). The Rephaim, while predominantly associated with the lands across the Jordan River (Genesis 14:5; Deuteronomy 2:11-20; 3:11-13), apparently also lived in Canaan, because the Israelites wiped out many Anakim, who were descendants of the Rephaim, as they were conquering Judah (Deuteronomy 2:11; Joshua 11:21-22; 14:12-15). It should also be noted that Ephraim was included in this promise of an additional lot as well (Joshua 17:17), and the stories of Gideon and Jephthah indicate that by their time Ephraim, not Manasseh, was progressively gaining control over the lower Jordan Valley as far north as Zaphon (Judges 7:23-24; 12:1). Manasseh also began to occupy territory belonging to the surrounding Israelite tribes, including the towns and surrounding villages of Beth-shan, Ibleam, Dor, Endor, Taanach, and Megiddo, though they never fully drove out the Canaanites living there (Joshua 17:11-12; Judges 1:27-28; 1 Chronicles 7:29). As a result, the territory occupied by Manasseh and Ephraim by the completion of the book of Joshua and Judges is notably larger than the land originally allotted to them.

Joshua also records that Manasseh’s tribal allotment was further divided among ten clans of Manasseh, including the families of the daughters of Zelophehad (Joshua 17:1-6). During the Israelites’ wandering in the wilderness, Moses granted Zelophehad’s daughters, whose father had no sons, the right to inherit land, though this was not the normal practice in Israel (Numbers 27). The discovery of the Samaria Ostraca in the palace of Ahab in 1910 has enabled scholars to deduce the likely area in which several of these clans settled within Manasseh’s territory, including Noah, Shemida, Abiezer, Asriel, Shechem, Helek, Hoglah, and Tirzah. This author also suspects that the location of the clan of Mahlah may be preserved in the name of the ruins at Khirbat al Milkh (identified as Abel-meholah on this map) and the nearby stream of Wadi el Maleh. Likewise, this author also suspects the location of the clan of Milcah may be preserved in name of the ruins at Khirbat Malihim and the nearby spring of `Ein el Ma`lqa.

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