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Parallel JOS 17:13

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OET (OET-RV) When the Israelis strengthened their position, they were able to force those Kena’anim to work for them, but they weren’t able to drive them out.OET logo mark

OET-LV And_he/it_was if/because the_people_of Yisrāʼēl/(Israel) they_became_strong and_they_made DOM the_Kənaˊₐnī[s] (into)_forced_labour and_completely_(dispossess) not he_dispossessed_him.OET logo mark

UHB וַֽ⁠יְהִ֗י כִּ֤י חָֽזְקוּ֙ בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל וַ⁠יִּתְּנ֥וּ אֶת־הַֽ⁠כְּנַעֲנִ֖י לָ⁠מַ֑ס וְ⁠הוֹרֵ֖שׁ לֹ֥א הוֹרִישֽׁ⁠וֹ׃ס ‡
   (va⁠yəhiy kiy ḩāzəqū bənēy yisrāʼēl va⁠yyittənū ʼet-ha⁠kkənaˊₐniy lā⁠maş və⁠hōrēsh loʼ hōrīsh⁠ō.§)

Key: khaki:verbs.
Note: Automatic aligning of the OET-RV to the LV is done by some temporary software, hence the OET-RV alignments are incomplete (and may occasionally be wrong).

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People tagged in the matching LV passage: Jacob (Israel)

BrLXX Καὶ ἐγενήθη καὶ ἐπεὶ κατίσχυσαν οἱ υἱοὶ Ἰσραὴλ, καὶ ἐποίησαν τοὺς Χαναναίους ὑπηκόους, ἐξολοθρεῦσαι δὲ αὐτοὺς οὐκ ἐξωλόθρευσαν.
   (Kai egenaʸthaʸ kai epei katisⱪusan hoi huioi Israaʸl, kai epoiaʸsan tous Ⱪananaious hupaʸkoous, exolothreusai de autous ouk exōlothreusan.)

BrTr And it came to pass that when the children of Israel were strong, they made the Chananites subject, but they did not utterly destroy them.


ULT Now it happened, when the sons of Israel became strong, that they put the Canaanite to forced labor. But dispossessing, they did not dispossess him.

UST When the people of Israel became strong enough, they forced those Canaanites to work for them as slaves. But they were not able to take their land away from them.

BSB However, when the Israelites grew stronger, they put the Canaanites to forced labor; but they failed to drive them out completely.

OEB When Israel became a power, they forced the Canaanites to slave for them. They never evicted them entirely.

WEBBE When the children of Israel had grown strong, they put the Canaanites to forced labour, and didn’t utterly drive them out.

NET Whenever the Israelites were strong militarily, they forced the Canaanites to do hard labor, but they never totally conquered them.

LSV and it comes to pass, when the sons of Israel have been strong, that they put the Canaanite to forced labor, and have not utterly dispossessed him.

FBV However, later on, when the Israelites grew strong enough, they made the Canaanites do forced labor—but they did not drive them out.

T4T But years later when the Israelis became better warriors, they forced the Canaan people-group to work for them as slaves, although they did not force them to leave the land.

LEB And it happened, when the ⌊Israelites⌋[fn] grew strong, they put the Canaanites[fn] to forced labor but never drove them out completely.


17:13 Literally “sons/children of Israel”

17:13 Hebrew “Canaanite”

BBE And when the children of Israel had become strong, they put the Canaanites to forced work, in place of driving them out.

Moff When Israel became a power, they forced the Canaanites to slave for them; they never evicted them entirely.

JPS And it came to pass, when the children of Israel were waxen strong, that they put the Canaanites to taskwork, but did not utterly drive them out.

ASV And it came to pass, when the children of Israel were waxed strong, that they put the Canaanites to taskwork, and did not utterly drive them out.

DRA But after that the children of Israel were grown strong, they subdued the Chanaanites, and made them their tributaries, and they did not kill them.

YLT and it cometh to pass when the sons of Israel have been strong, that they put the Canaanite to tribute, and have not utterly dispossessed him.

Drby And it came to pass when the children of Israel were become strong, that they made the Canaanites tributary; but they did not utterly dispossess them.

RV And it came to pass, when the children of Israel were waxen strong, that they put the Canaanites to taskwork, and did not utterly drive them out.

SLT And it will be when the sons of Israel were strong and they will give the Canaanite for tribute; and driving out, they drove him not out.

Wbstr Yet it came to pass, when the children of Israel had become strong, that they subjected the Canaanites to tribute; but did not utterly expel them.

KJB-1769 Yet it came to pass, when the children of Israel were waxen strong, that they put the Canaanites to tribute; but did not utterly drive them out.

KJB-1611 Yet it came to passe when the children of Israel were waxen strong, that they put the Canaanites to tribute: but did not vtterly driue them out.
   (Modernised spelling is same as from KJB-1769 above, apart from punctuation)

Bshps Neuerthelesse, assoone as the children of Israel were waxed strong, they put the Chanaanites vnder tribute, but expelled them not.
   (Nevertheless, as soon as the children of Israel were waxed/grew strong, they put the Canaanites under tribute, but expelled them not.)

Gnva Neuerthelesse, when the children of Israel were strong, they put the Canaanites vnder tribute, but cast them not out wholy.
   (Nevertheless, when the children of Israel were strong, they put the Canaanites under tribute, but cast them not out wholly.)

Cvdl Howbeit whan the children of Israel were able, they made the Cananites tributaries, and droue them not out.
   (Howbeit when the children of Israel were able, they made the Canaanites tributaries, and drove them not out.)

Wycl Sotheli aftir that the sones of Israel weren stronge, thei maden suget Cananeis, and maden tributaries to hem silf, and killiden not Cananeis.
   (Truly after that the sons of Israel were strong, they made subject Cananeis, and made tributaries to themself, and killed not Cananeis.)

Luth Da aber die Kinder Israel mächtig wurden, machten sie die Kanaaniter zinsbar und vertrieben sie nicht.
   (So but the children Israel powerful became, make they/she/them the Canaanite(s) interest-bearing and distributed they/she/them not.)

ClVg Postquam autem convaluerunt filii Israël, subjecerunt Chananæos, et fecerunt sibi tributarios, nec interfecerunt eos.
   (After however they_grew_strong children Israel, they_subjected Canaanites, and they_did to_himself tributary, but_not they_killed them.)


HAP Hebrew accents and phrasing: See Allan Johnson's Hebrew accents and phrasing analysis.

SOTN SIL Open Translator’s Notes:

Section 16:1–17:18 The clans of Ephraim and Manasseh received their land

This section describes the boundaries of the land given to Ephraim and to Manasseh, and the towns within each of their lands.

17:13a

However, when the Israelites grew stronger,

However, when the Israelites grew stronger: The clause when the Israelites grew stronger indicates that the Israel people became strong enough to force the Canaanite people to do what they wanted.

Here are some other ways to translate this part of the verse:

But when the people of Israel became stronger

But later when the Israel men became strong enough

17:13b

they put the Canaanites to forced labor;

they put the Canaanites to forced labor: Here are some other ways to translate this part of the verse:

they made the Canaan people work as their slaves

the people of Canaan became their slaves and had to work hard for them

17:13c

but they failed to drive them out completely.

but they failed to drive them out completely: The clause that the BSB translates as failed to drive them out has a form in Hebrew to show that it is emphasized. The BSB translates this emphasis with the word completely. Use a word or grammatical form in your language that shows emphasis.

Here are some other ways to translate this part of the verse:

But still the Israel people did not completely force the Canaan people to leave

However, the people of Israel failed to make all of the people of Canaan leave the land


UTN uW Translation Notes:

Note 1 topic: figures-of-speech / reduplication

וְ⁠הוֹרֵ֖שׁ לֹ֥א הוֹרִישֽׁ⁠וֹ

and,completely_(dispossess) not (Some words not found in UHB: and=he/it_was that/for/because/then/when grew_strong sons_of Yisrael and,they_made DOM the,Canaanite[s] (into)_forced,labor and,completely_(dispossess) not he,dispossessed_him )

The author is repeating forms of the verb dispossess in order to intensify the idea that it expresses. If your language can repeat words for intensification, it would be appropriate to do that here in your translation. If not, your language may have another way of expressing the emphasis. Alternate translation: [But they definitely did not drive them out]


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Poster Map of the Tribe of Manasseh (West) and Its Surroundings, circa 1200 B.C.

Though Manasseh’s descendants formed only half the tribe of Joseph (the other half being Ephraim) and its population was surpassed by Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Dan, and Asher (Numbers 26) at the time of their entry in Canaan, Manasseh occupied one of the largest allotments among the tribes of Israel, rivaling even the royal tribe of Judah. Half of Manasseh’s allotted territory was located technically outside the Promised Land of Canaan in the region commonly referred to as the Transjordan (“across the Jordan”), which was seized from King Og as the Israelites approached Canaan from the southeast and prepared to enter the land (Numbers 32:33; Deuteronomy 3:13; Joshua 13; see “Israel Defeats Og and Sihon” map). The other half of its territory (often referred to as West Manasseh) lay in the central region of the Promised Land, and the tribe of Manasseh, sometimes referred to by the name of Machir, Manasseh’s son, was involved in several key events in the early life of Israel. They participated in the victory of Deborah and Barak over Sisera (Judges 5:14; see “Deborah and Barak Defeat Sisera” map) as well as the victory of Gideon (who was from Manasseh) over the Midianites (Judges 7:23; see “Gideon Defeats the Midianites” map). After Gideon died, his son Abimelech briefly made himself king over Shechem and also attacked the town of Thebez in the territory of Manasseh (Judges 9). Manassites were among those who joined David before the battle at Mount Gilboa and also among those who came to make him king at Hebron (1 Chronicles 12; see “The Battle at Mount Gilboa” map and “David and Ish-bosheth” map). Many Manassites were also among those who humbled themselves and accepted Hezekiah’s invitation to attend the Passover in Jerusalem (2 Chronicles 30:11).

West Manasseh’s boundaries eventually stretched from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, and that is how they are drawn on virtually all maps of the tribe’s territory. But this author is convinced that a careful reading of Joshua 16-17 (particularly Joshua 17:7-12) indicates that, technically speaking, Manasseh’s initial allotment included only the western portion of their full allotment, that is, the land to the west of Tappuah, Shechem, and En-gannim and to the south of Asher (see “Poster Map of the Tribe of Zebulun and Its Surroundings circa 1200 B.C.” map and its discussion regarding southern Asher), as shown on this map (see also 1 Kings 4:10). But the tribe of Joseph (that is, Manasseh and Ephraim) complained to Joshua that their allotted territory in Canaan was not large enough for their growing populations (Joshua 17:14-18). So Joshua responded: “If you are a numerous people, go up to the forest, and clear ground there for yourselves in the land of the Perizzites and the Rephaim” (Joshua 17:15). Then it appears that the tribe of Joseph complained further that even this additional hill country would not be enough, yet they were not confident that they could take land from the Canaanites in the Jezreel Valley (Joshua 17:16). But Joshua assured them, “Since you are so large and strong, you will be given more than one portion. The forests of the hill country will be yours as well. Clear as much of the land as you wish, and take possession of its farthest corners. And you will drive out the Canaanites from the valleys, too, even though they are strong and have iron chariots” (Joshua 17:17-18, NLT). This additional allotment–the forested hill country of the Perizzites and the Rephaim–was likely the mountainous region just north of Shechem and the surrounding towns of Tirzah, Thebez, and Bezek. This is supported by Jacob’s comment in Genesis 34:30 that Simeon and Levi had made him “odious to the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites and the Perizzites” when they slaughtered the men of Shechem for assaulting their sister. Judges 1:4-5 also references a battle fought against the Canaanites and the Perizzites at Bezek. Prior to the Israelites’ entry into Canaan, Perizzites apparently lived in the hill country near Bethel and Ai as well (Genesis 13:7). The Rephaim, while predominantly associated with the lands across the Jordan River (Genesis 14:5; Deuteronomy 2:11-20; 3:11-13), apparently also lived in Canaan, because the Israelites wiped out many Anakim, who were descendants of the Rephaim, as they were conquering Judah (Deuteronomy 2:11; Joshua 11:21-22; 14:12-15). It should also be noted that Ephraim was included in this promise of an additional lot as well (Joshua 17:17), and the stories of Gideon and Jephthah indicate that by their time Ephraim, not Manasseh, was progressively gaining control over the lower Jordan Valley as far north as Zaphon (Judges 7:23-24; 12:1). Manasseh also began to occupy territory belonging to the surrounding Israelite tribes, including the towns and surrounding villages of Beth-shan, Ibleam, Dor, Endor, Taanach, and Megiddo, though they never fully drove out the Canaanites living there (Joshua 17:11-12; Judges 1:27-28; 1 Chronicles 7:29). As a result, the territory occupied by Manasseh and Ephraim by the completion of the book of Joshua and Judges is notably larger than the land originally allotted to them.

Joshua also records that Manasseh’s tribal allotment was further divided among ten clans of Manasseh, including the families of the daughters of Zelophehad (Joshua 17:1-6). During the Israelites’ wandering in the wilderness, Moses granted Zelophehad’s daughters, whose father had no sons, the right to inherit land, though this was not the normal practice in Israel (Numbers 27). The discovery of the Samaria Ostraca in the palace of Ahab in 1910 has enabled scholars to deduce the likely area in which several of these clans settled within Manasseh’s territory, including Noah, Shemida, Abiezer, Asriel, Shechem, Helek, Hoglah, and Tirzah. This author also suspects that the location of the clan of Mahlah may be preserved in the name of the ruins at Khirbat al Milkh (identified as Abel-meholah on this map) and the nearby stream of Wadi el Maleh. Likewise, this author also suspects the location of the clan of Milcah may be preserved in name of the ruins at Khirbat Malihim and the nearby spring of `Ein el Ma`lqa.

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Tribal Allotments of the Promised Land

After the Israelites had conquered portions of the Promised Land and Joshua had grown old, the Lord directed him to divide the rest of the land among the tribes of Israel as their inheritance (Joshua 13-20). The eastern tribes had already been allotted their land under Moses’ leadership (Numbers 32), but they continued to help the other tribes drive out the Canaanites from land west of the Jordan River. The Lord also instructed the Israelites to designate several cities of refuge, where someone could flee for protection from an avenger if they accidentally killed someone (Numbers 35; Joshua 20).

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