PROV 9:18 Parallel Verse View

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BrLXX Ὁ δὲ οὐκ οἶδεν ὅτι γηγενεῖς παρʼ αὐτῇ ὄλλυνται, καὶ ἐπὶ πέταυρον ᾅδου συναντᾷ·
(Ho de ouk oiden hoti gaʸgeneis parʼ autaʸ olluntai, kai epi petauron hadou sunanta; )

BrTr But he knows that mighty men die by her, and he falls in with a snare of hell.

ULT But he does not know that the spirits of the dead are there;
⇔ in the depths of Sheol are her called ones.

UST But men who go to the houses of such women are not aware that the men who have gone there before have died.
⇔ They are not aware that the guests of such women are now in the deepest parts of the place where dead people are.

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WEBBE But he doesn’t know that the departed spirits are there,
⇔ that her guests are in the depths of Sheol.[fn]

9:18 Sheol is the place of the dead.

WMBB (Same as above including footnotes)

NET But they do not realize that the dead are there,
⇔ that her guests are in the depths of the grave.

LSV And he has not known that Rephaim [are] there,
Her invited ones in deep places of Sheol!

FBV But they don't know that the dead are there, that those she's invited are in the depths of the grave.

T4T But men who go to those women’s houses do not know that those who have gone there are now dead;
⇔ they have descended down into the deepest parts of the place where dead people are.

LEB • But he does not know that the dead[fn] are there, in the depths of Sheol[fn] are her guests.

9:? Or “Rephaim”

9:? A term for the place where the dead reside, i.e., the Underworld

BBE But he does not see that the dead are there, that her guests are in the deep places of the underworld.

Moff Little he knows that dead men are within,
⇔ the guests of Death!

JPS But he knoweth not that the shades are there; that her guests are in the depths of the nether-world.

ASV But he knoweth not that the dead are there;
⇔ That her guests are in the depths of Sheol.

DRA And he did not know that giants are there, and that her guests are in the depths of hell.

YLT And he hath not known that Rephaim [are] there, In deep places of Sheol her invited ones!

Drby But he knoweth not that the dead are there; [that] her guests are in the depths of Sheol.

RV But he knoweth not that the dead are there; that her guests are in the depths of Sheol.
(But he knoweth/knows not that the dead are there; that her guests are in the depths of Sheol. )

SLT And he knew not that there the shades; her called ones in the depths of hades.

Wbstr But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.

KJB-1769 But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.
(But he knoweth/knows not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell. )

KJB-1611 But hee knoweth not that the dead are there, and that her guests are in the depths of hell.
(Modernised spelling is same as from KJB-1769 above, apart from punctuation)

Bshps And he doth not consider that they are but dead whiche be there, and that her ghestes are in the deepe of hell.
(And he doth/does not consider that they are but dead which be there, and that her guests are in the deep of hell.)

Gnva But he knoweth not, that ye dead are there, and that her ghestes are in the depth of hell.
(But he knoweth/knows not, that ye/you_all dead are there, and that her guests are in the depth of hell. )

Cvdl But they cosider not that death is there, and that hir gestes go downe to hell.
(But they consider not that death is there, and that her guestes go down to hell.)

Wycl And wiste not that giauntis ben there; and the gestis `of hir ben in the depthis of helle. Sotheli he that schal be applied, ether fastned, to hir; schal go doun to hellis. For whi he that goith awei fro hir; schal be saued.
(And knew not that giants been there; and the guestis of her been in the depths of hell. Truly he that shall be applied, either fastened, to hir; shall go down to hellis. For why he that goeth/goes away from hir; shall be saved.)

Luth Er weiß aber nicht, daß daselbst Tote sind und ihre Gäste in der tiefen Hölle.
(He white but not, that there Tote are and their/her guests in the/of_the deep hell.)

ClVg Et ignoravit quod ibi sint gigantes, et in profundis inferni convivæ ejus.][fn]
(And he_ignored that there let_them_be giants, and in/into/on deep hell convivæ his.] )

9.18 Et ignoravit quod ibi. Nescit mulier adultera, etc., usque ad et in excelsis cœlorum convivæ fidelium.

9.18 And he_ignored that there. Nescit woman adulteress, etc., until to and in/into/on high of_the_heavens convivæ faithful.

SOTN SIL Open Translator’s Notes:

Section 9:1–18: Wisdom and Folly each urge people to follow them

This section summarizes the main themes of chapters 1–8. It contains parallel appeals by Wisdom (9:1–6) and Folly (9:13–18), both personified as women. Both Wisdom and Folly appeal to the same audience, inviting them to come and eat in their homes. Between these two appeals is a summary of two opposite ways to respond to Wisdom (9:7–12). In the center of this paragraph, 9:10 contains a restatement of the first line of 1:7. These key verses mark chapters 1 and 9 as the beginning and end of the first major division of the book.

Some other headings for this section are:

Invitations of Wisdom and of Folly (NIV)

Wisdom and Foolishness each give a feast

Being Wise or Foolish (NCV)

Paragraph 9:13–18

This paragraph contains an invitation from Woman Folly that is obviously parallel to Wisdom’s invitation in 9:1–6. Folly’s character and the location from which she gives her invitation are described in 9:13–15. Her invitation is found in 9:16–17. In 9:18, the author concludes the paragraph by describing the consequences of accepting Folly’s invitation.

When you translate this paragraph, pay careful attention to the wording that you used in 9:1–6 so that the parallels between Wisdom’s invitation and Folly’s invitation will be clear.

9:18

Notice the parallel parts that are similar in meaning:

^18aBut they do not know that the dead are there,

^18b that her guests are in the depths of Sheol.

There is an ellipsis in 9:18b. In some languages, it may be necessary to supply the missing words from 9:18a. For example:

^18b they do not know that her guests are in the depths of the grave

9:18a

But they do not know that the dead are there,

But these people do not know/realize that those who go to her house die.

But they do not know that the dead are there: In Hebrew, the phrase they do not know is literally “he does not know.” The pronoun “he” refers to any person who responded to Folly’s invitation in 9:16. Many versions translate this pronoun as “they.” Use whatever is more natural in your language.

the dead are there: The word that the BSB translates as the dead was translated as “the departed spirits” in 2:18a–b (see the note there). The word there means inside Folly’s house. If this is translated literally in some languages, it may lead to misunderstanding. People may think that the spirits of dead people have come back to haunt the woman’s house or that the spirits of people who died in the house are still there. What this clause actually means is that those who enter Folly’s house will certainly die. They can be considered dead. For example:

But these people don’t know that everyone who goes there dies (NCV)

9:18a–b

(combined/reordered)

But they do not know that those who go to her will die and that some of them are already in the place of the dead.
But none who become the guests of Foolishness realize that it is as if they are already in the place of dead people.

9:18b

that her guests are in the depths of Sheol.

They do not understand that those who said yes to her invitation in the past are already buried in the world of the dead.
They do not realize that her former guests are already located in the place of the dead.

that her guests are in the depths of Sheol: The word that the BSB translates as her guests is literally “her called ones.” It refers to the people who accepted her invitation.UBS (page 212). As in 2:18a–b, Sheol is the world of the dead. The word depths does not imply that these guests are in the deepest parts in contrast to others in shallower locations. The whole world of the dead is viewed as being deep under the earth.

The meaning of this line is similar to 9:18a. It does not mean that her current guests are already in the world of the dead. What it means is that her guests will certainly end up in Sheol. This may be expressed in different ways:

that her guests end up deep in the grave (NCV)

that her former guests are now in the grave (NLT96)

General Comment on 9:18a–b

In some languages, it may be more natural to combine and/or reorder the parallel lines. For example:

None who listen to Stupidity understand that her guests are as good as dead. (CEV)

See also 9:18a–b (combined/reordered) in the Display.

This division consists of the main collection of Solomon’s proverbs (10:1–22:16), followed by several shorter sections.

UTN uW Translation Notes:

Note 1 topic: figures-of-speech / genericnoun

וְֽ⁠לֹא־יָ֭דַע

and=not knowing

Here, he refers to any naive man to whom the stupid woman calls. If it would be helpful in your language, you could state this explicitly. Alternate translation: “But any naive man does not know”

Note 2 topic: figures-of-speech / metaphor

רְפָאִ֣ים שָׁ֑ם

dead there

Here Solomon speaks of those men who died because they went to the stupid woman’s house as if their dead spirits were there. If it would be helpful in your language, you could express the meaning plainly. Alternate translation: “that the men who have gone to her house are now dead”

Note 3 topic: figures-of-speech / activepassive

קְרֻאֶֽי⁠הָ

her_invited_of,[men]

If your language does not use this passive form, you could express the idea in active form or in another way that is natural in your language. Alternate translation: “the ones whom she called”

Note 4 topic: figures-of-speech / explicit