ROM 8:24 Parallel Verse View

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OET (OET-RV) because we were saved having hope, but if you can see it then it’s not hope, because you don’t need to hope for something that you can already see.

Key: khaki:verbs, light-green:nominative/subject, orange:accusative/object, cyan:dative/indirect object, red:negative.
Note: Automatic aligning of the OET-RV to the LV is done by some temporary software, hence the RV alignments are incomplete (and may occasionally be wrong).

ULT For in this hope we were saved. Now hope being seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees?

UST This is so because God rescued us while we confidently expect this. If we already had what we have been confidently expecting, then we would have nothing to confidently expect. This is because surely nobody confidently expects something that he already has.

BLB For in this hope we were saved; but hope being seen is no hope; for does anyone hope for what he sees?

AICNT For in hope we have been saved; but hope that is seen is not hope; {for who hopes for what he sees}?[fn]

8:24, for who hopes for what he sees?: 𝔓46 B(03) NA28 SBLGNT ‖ Later manuscripts read “for what a man sees, why does he also hope for it?” A(02) C(04) THGNT BYZ TR

OEB By our hope we were saved. But the thing hoped for is no longer an object of hope when it is before our eyes; for who hopes for what is before his eyes?

2DT For we were delivered in hope, but hope seen isn’t hope—for who hopes for what one sees?

WEBBE For we were saved in hope, but hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for that which he sees?

WMBB (Same as above)

NET For in hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope, because who hopes for what he sees?

LSV for in hope we were saved, and hope beheld is not hope; for what anyone beholds, why does he also hope for [it]?

FBV For we were saved by hope. Yet hope that's already seen isn't hope at all. Who hopes for what they can already see?

TCNT For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope, for [fn]why would someone hope for what he already sees?

8:24 why would someone hope ¦ who hopes NA SBL WH

T4T Ever since we were saved {since God saved us}, we have continued to confidently expect that future glory. If we had what we waited for, we would not need to wait for it any longer, because those who have something, certainly do not continue to wait for it! [RHQ]

LEB For in hope we were saved, but hope that is seen is not hope, for who hopes for what he sees?

BBE For our salvation is by hope: but hope which is seen is not hope: for who is hoping for what he sees?

Moff We were saved with this hope in view. Now when an object of hope is seen, there is no further need to hope. Who ever hopes for what he sees already?

Wymth It is *in hope* that we have been saved. But an object of hope is such no longer when it is present to view; for when a man has a thing before his eyes, how can he be said to hope for it?

ASV For in hope were we saved: but hope that is seen is not hope: for who hopeth for that which he seeth?

DRA For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen, is not hope. For what a man seeth, why doth he hope for?

YLT for in hope we were saved, and hope beheld is not hope; for what any one doth behold, why also doth he hope for [it]?

Drby For we have been saved in hope; but hope seen is not hope; for what any one sees, why does he also hope?

RV For by hope were we saved: but hope that is seen is not hope: for who hopeth for that which he seeth?
(For by hope were we saved: but hope that is seen is not hope: for who hopeth/hopes for that which he seeth? )

SLT For by hope were we saved: but hope being seen is not hope: for what any one sees, why does he also hope?

Wbstr For we are saved by hope: But hope that is seen, is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

KJB-1769 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
(For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth/does he yet hope for? )

KJB-1611 For wee are saued by hope: but hope that is seene, is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
(Modernised spelling is same as from KJB-1769 above, apart from punctuation)

Bshps For we are saued by hope: But hope that is seene, is no hope. For howe can a man hope for that which he seeth?
(For we are saved by hope: But hope that is seen, is no hope. For how can a man hope for that which he seeth?)

Gnva For we are saued by hope: but hope that is seene, is not hope: for how can a man hope for that which he seeth?
(For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen, is not hope: for how can a man hope for that which he seeth? )

Cvdl For we are saued i dede, howbeit i hope: but ye hope that is sene, is no hope: for how can a man hope for that which he seyeth?
(For we are saved 1 deed, howbeit/yet 1 hope: but ye/you_all hope that is seen, is no hope: for how can a man hope for that which he saith/says?)

TNT For we are savyd by hope. But hope that is sene is no hope. For how can a man hope for that which he seyth?
(For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen is no hope. For how can a man hope for that which he saith/says? )

Wycl But bi hope we ben maad saaf. For hope that is seyn, is not hope; for who hopith that thing, that he seeth?
(But by hope we been made safe. For hope that is seen, is not hope; for who hopeth/hopes that thing, that he seeth?)

Luth Denn wir sind wohl selig, doch in der Hoffnung. Die Hoffnung aber, die man siehet, ist nicht Hoffnung; denn wie kann man des, hoffen, das man siehet?
(Because we/us are probably/well blessed, though/but in the/of_the hope(n). The hope(n) but, the man see/look, is not hope(n); because/than as/like can man of, hope(v), the man see/look?)

ClVg Spe enim salvi facti sumus. Spes autem, quæ videtur, non est spes: nam quod videt quis, quid sperat?[fn]
(Spe because be_saved made we_are. Hope however, which it_seems, not/no it_is hope: for/surely that he_sees who/any, what hopes? )

8.24 Spe enim. Ideo dicit ut majus meriritum spei videatur et ideo debeat salvare. Spiritus adjuvat infirmitatem. AUG. Quia ingemiscimus et petimus liberari, sed ne vel ante tempus vel contrarie petamus, Spiritus adjuvat. Quod oratio impetrat, donum Dei est evidenter, sed et orare est ex gratia.

8.24 Spe because. Therefore/For_that_reason he_says as greater meriritum hope it_seems and therefore/for_that_reason should to_save. Spirit adyuvat weakness. AUG. Because ingemiscimus and petimus liberari, but not or before time/season or contrarie I_will_askus, Spirit adyuvat. That speech impetrat, a_gift/present/donation of_God it_is evidenter, but and to_pray it_is from grace.

UGNT τῇ γὰρ ἐλπίδι ἐσώθημεν; ἐλπὶς δὲ βλεπομένη, οὐκ ἔστιν ἐλπίς; ὃ γὰρ βλέπει τις, ἐλπίζει?
(taʸ gar elpidi esōthaʸmen; elpis de blepomenaʸ, ouk estin elpis; ho gar blepei tis, elpizei?)

SBL-GNT τῇ γὰρ ἐλπίδι ἐσώθημεν· ἐλπὶς δὲ βλεπομένη οὐκ ἔστιν ἐλπίς, ὃ γὰρ βλέπει ⸀τίς ἐλπίζει;
(taʸ gar elpidi esōthaʸmen; elpis de blepomenaʸ ouk estin elpis, ho gar blepei ⸀tis elpizei;)

RP-GNT Τῇ γὰρ ἐλπίδι ἐσώθημεν· ἐλπὶς δὲ βλεπομένη οὐκ ἔστιν ἐλπίς· ὃ γὰρ βλέπει τις, τί καὶ ἐλπίζει;
(Taʸ gar elpidi esōthaʸmen; elpis de blepomenaʸ ouk estin elpis; ho gar blepei tis, ti kai elpizei;)

TC-GNT Τῇ γὰρ ἐλπίδι ἐσώθημεν· ἐλπὶς δὲ βλεπομένη οὐκ ἔστιν ἐλπίς· ὃ γὰρ βλέπει [fn]τις, τί καὶ ἐλπίζει;
(Taʸ gar elpidi esōthaʸmen; elpis de blepomenaʸ ouk estin elpis; ho gar blepei tis, ti kai elpizei; )

8:24 τις τί καὶ ¦ τίς τί καὶ TH ¦ τίς NA SBL WH

Key for above GNTs: yellow:punctuation differs, orange:accents differ, red:words differ (from our SR-GNT base).

SOTN SIL Open Translator’s Notes:

Section 8:18–30: God promises to us help today and glory later

In this section Paul said that the things that cause us suffering are only small compared to the glory that God will give us in the future, renewed world. The created world waits for God to reveal us, his adopted children, in our new bodies, because he will also renew the created world at that time. We and the created world groan waiting for that renewal. Paul then described what hope is.

The Holy Spirit helps us where we are weak. He also helps us to pray and intercedes for us. God causes all things to work for our good. He chose us to become like Jesus in word and deed, and become like him like a brother is like his brother. He chose us before the creation of the world, called us, made us righteous, and has glorified us.

Here are other possible headings for this section:

We wait for God to give glory to us

Later we will be together with God in his glory

The Holy Spirit helps us today and God will glorify us in the future

8:24a

For in this hope we were saved;

¶ For we were saved with a hope that came with it.
¶ For God saved us, and we have had hope ever since.

For: Here this word introduces an explanation of 8:23.

in this hope: The word in indicates that the salvation we are waiting for includes the redemption of our bodies. We hope in that redemption and that hope is based on God’s promises that now belong to the new believer. Here are other ways to translate this phrase:

with an accompanying hope

We were given this hope when we were saved (NLT)

this is what we have been hoping for since the time we were savedKankanaey Back Translation on TW.

we were saved: This clause is passive. Some languages must use an active clause. For example:

God saved us

saved: This word refers to being rescued from something harmful or dangerous. Here it refers to God rescuing people from going to hell for their sins. See how you translated this word in 5:10.

General Comment on 8:24a

In some languages putting “in this hope” first would make the hope the basis for being saved, or another possibly wrong meaning. If that is true in your language, put that phrase in its usual place. For example:

For we were saved in/with hope

8:24b

but hope that is seen is no hope at all.

But hope, once one/someone sees/has the thing hoped for, has ended.
If someone has already received what he was expecting, then he no longer needs to wait for it.

but: The Greek word here often introduces something that contrasts with 8:24a, as does the word but here. The word can also introduce something new. For example:

Now (ESV)

Some languages can omit this word for the correct connection.

hope that is seen is no hope at all: This clause indicates that if we already have something we hoped for, then we are no longer hoping for it. In many languages a literal translation would not have the correct meaning. If that is true in your language, translate the correct meaning. For example:

if it had already happened then no longer would we be waiting for it thenOtomi Back Translation on TW.

if we say we are hoping, that means we have not yet received what we are hoping forUma Back Translation on TW.

whoever, from his hoping has seen and received it, he holds it so it is not a thing for hopeYongkom Back Translation, by this author, unpublished manuscript, Papua New Guinea.

If someone is waiting for anything, and has taken it already, he will not wait for it again/more/furtherNalik Back Translation, draft, Papua New Guinea.

that is seen: Here this word indicates that the hope is fulfilled. Some languages must use a different word to clearly indicate that meaning here. See the above examples.

8:24c

Who hopes for what he can already see?

If a person has already received something, why should he continue to wait for it?
Nobody waits for what he has already received.

The Greek of 8:24c begins with the Greek word that is usually translated as “for.” Here this word introduces something that supports what Paul said in 8:24b. Some languages can omit this word for the correct connection, as the BSB does.

Who hopes for what he can already see?: This is a rhetorical question. It emphasizes that no one hopes for what he already sees or has. Translate this clause with that meaning. Here are some ways:

As a rhetorical question. For example:
Who hopes for what they already have? (NIV11)
Who hopes for something that he holds? No way!Yongkom Back Translation, by this author, unpublished manuscript, Papua New Guinea.
As a statement. For example:
Certainly no one hopes for something he already sees/has
People do not hope for something they already have (NCV)
no one hopes for something he has already receivedUma Back Translation on TW.

UTN uW Translation Notes:

Note 1 topic: grammar-connect-logic-result

γὰρ

(Some words not found in SR-GNT: τῇ Γάρ ἐλπίδι ἐσώθημεν ἐλπίς δέ βλεπομένη οὐκ ἐστίν ἐλπίς ὅ γάρ βλέπει τὶς ἐλπίζει)

For indicates that what follows this word explains what came before it. For here indicates that what follows in this verse and the next verse is the reason why Christians “groan” and are “eagerly expecting” to be fully adopted and redeemed. Use a natural way in your language for indicating a reason. Alternate translation: [We do this because]

Note 2 topic: figures-of-speech / abstractnouns

τῇ & ἐλπίδι & ἐλπὶς & ἐλπίς

˱in˲_the & hope & (Some words not found in SR-GNT: τῇ Γάρ ἐλπίδι ἐσώθημεν ἐλπίς δέ βλεπομένη οὐκ ἐστίν ἐλπίς ὅ γάρ βλέπει τὶς ἐλπίζει)

See how you translated the abstract noun hope in [5:4](../05/04.md).

Note 3 topic: figures-of-speech / explicit

τῇ & ἐλπίδι

˱in˲_the & hope

Here, in could indicate: (1) that hope is associated with being saved. Alternate translation: [in association with this hope] (2) the means by which people are saved. In this case, hope would refer to faith. Alternate translation: [by this hope]

Note 4 topic: figures-of-speech / activepassive

ἐσώθημεν

˱we˲_˓were˒_saved

If your language does not use the passive form in this way, you could express the idea in active form or in another way that is natural in your language. If you must state who did the action, Paul implies that “God” did it. Alternate translation: [God saved us]

Note 5 topic: figures-of-speech / metaphor

βλεπομένη & βλέπει

˓being˒_seen & ˓is˒_seeing

Paul uses seen and sees here to refer to experiencing something. If it would be helpful in your language, you could express the meaning plainly. Alternate translation: [being experienced … he experiences]

Note 6 topic: figures-of-speech / activepassive

βλεπομένη

˓being˒_seen

If your language does not use the passive form in this way, you can state this in active form or in another way that is natural in your language. Alternate translation: [that people can see]

Note 7 topic: grammar-connect-logic-result

(Occurrence 2) γὰρ

(Some words not found in SR-GNT: τῇ Γάρ ἐλπίδι ἐσώθημεν ἐλπίς δέ βλεπομένη οὐκ ἐστίν ἐλπίς ὅ γάρ βλέπει τὶς ἐλπίζει)

For indicates that what follows this word explains what came before it. For here indicates that what follows is the reason why the previous statement is true. Use a natural way in your language for indicating a reason. Alternate translation: [This is true since]

Note 8 topic: figures-of-speech / rquestion

ὃ γὰρ βλέπει τις, ἐλπίζει?

(Some words not found in SR-GNT: τῇ Γάρ ἐλπίδι ἐσώθημεν ἐλπίς δέ βλεπομένη οὐκ ἐστίν ἐλπίς ὅ γάρ βλέπει τὶς ἐλπίζει)

Paul is using a rhetorical question here to emphasize the thrust of what he is saying. If you would not use a rhetorical question for this purpose in your language, you could translate his words as a statement or an exclamation and communicate the emphasis in another way. Alternate translation: [For surely no one hopes for what he sees!]

Parallel ROM 8:24

Section 8:18–30: God promises to us help today and glory later

8:24a

General Comment on 8:24a

8:24b

8:24c