PROV 1:14 Parallel Verse View

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OET (OET-RV) You need to come and join us—
⇔ we share everything equally.”

Key: khaki:verbs.
Note: Automatic aligning of the OET-RV to the LV is done by some temporary software, hence the OET-RV alignments are incomplete (and may occasionally be wrong).

BrLXX Τὸν δὲ σὸν κλῆρον βάλε ἐν ἡμῖν, κοινὸν δὲ βαλάντιον κτησώμεθα πάντες, καὶ μαρσίππιον ἓν γενηθήτω ἡμῖν·
(Ton de son klaʸron bale en haʸmin, koinon de balantion ktaʸsōmetha pantes, kai marsippion hen genaʸthaʸtō haʸmin; )

BrTr but do thou cast in thy lot with us, and let us all provide a common purse, and let us have one pouch:

ULT You must cause your lot to fall in our midst;
⇔ one purse will be for all of us.”

OEB No OEB PROV book available

WEBBE You shall cast your lot amongst us.
⇔ We’ll all have one purse”—

WMBB (Same as above)

NET Join with us!
⇔ We will all share equally in what we steal.”

LSV You cast your lot among us,
One purse is—to all of us.”

FBV Come and join us[fn] and we'll all share what we get!”

1:14 Literally, “throw in your lot with us.”

T4T So, come with us!
⇔ Join our group!
⇔ We will share with you the things that we steal.”

LEB • you shall throw your lot in our midst, there will be one purse for all of us.”

BBE Take your chance with us, and we will all have one money-bag:

Moff Cast in your lot with us,
⇔ we will have all one purse”--

JPS Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse' —

ASV Thou shalt cast thy lot among us;
⇔ We will all have one purse:

DRA Cast in thy lot with us, let us all have one purse.

YLT Thy lot thou dost cast among us, One purse is — to all of us.'

Drby cast in thy lot among us; we will all have one purse:

RV Thou shalt cast thy lot among us; we will all have one purse:
(Thou/You shalt/shall cast thy/your lot among us; we will all have one purse: )

SLT Wilt thou cast thy lot in the midst of us; one purse shall be to all:

Wbstr Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:

KJB-1769 Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:
(Cast in thy/your lot among us; let us all have one purse: )

KJB-1611 Cast in thy lot among vs, let vs all haue one purse:
(Modernised spelling is same as from KJB-1769 above, apart from punctuation)

Bshps Cast in thy lot among vs, and let vs all haue one purse.
(Cast in thy/your lot among us, and let us all have one purse.)

Gnva Cast in thy lot among vs: we will all haue one purse:
(Cast in thy/your lot among us: we will all have one purse: )

Cvdl Cast in thy lott amonge us, we shal haue all one purse.
(Cast in thy/your lot among us, we shall have all one purse.)

Wycl o purs be of vs alle;
(o purse be of us all;)

Luth wage es mit uns; es soll unser aller ein Beutel sein:
(wage it with us/to_us/ourselves; it should our all a bag/purse be:)

ClVg sortem mitte nobiscum, marsupium unum sit omnium nostrum:[fn]
(lot send with_us, pouch/purse one be of_all our: )

1.14 Sortem mitte nobiscum. De latronibus generaliter patet, quia sociis, quos conquirunt, prædæ portionem promittunt; sed et Christi persecutores, quoscunque sibi poterant, adjungebant, quos eum sequi videbant, extra synagogam faciebant, id est, sua communione privabant.

1.14 Lot send with_us. From/About robbersbus generally clear, because companionss, which conquirunt, beforedæ portionnem they_promise; but and of_Christ persecutors, whichcunque to_himself they_could, adythey_anointed, which him to_follow seebant, outside synagogue they_were_doing, that it_is, his_own communione privabant.

SOTN SIL Open Translator’s Notes:

Section 1:8–19: First lesson: Avoid evil companions

This first lesson may be summarized as follows:

Introduction: Pay attention to your parents’ advice, because it will improve your character (1:8–9).
Lesson: If robbers try to persuade you to do evil (1:10–14), refuse to join them (1:15), because they will destroy their own lives (1:16–18).
Conclusion: People who are greedy and try to obtain wealth illegally will die (1:19).This outline is based on “The Design of Lecture 1” in Fox (page 92).

Some other headings for this section are:

Warnings against Bad Friends (CEV)

Advice to a young man to not be tempted by evil people

Paragraph 1:10–14

In this paragraph, the quote that starts in 1:11a and ends in 1:14b gives the words that the “sinners” use to “entice” the young man. The concluding exhortation of 1:10b is parallel to the concluding exhortations of 1:15a–b.

1:14

In this verse, the first line gives an invitation. The second line gives the result of the invitation.

^14aThrow in your lot with us;

^14blet us all share one purse”—

1:14a

Throw in your lot with us;

Come^(sing) and join us^(excl),
If you^(sing) join our^(excl) gang,

Throw in your lot with us: There are two ways to interpret this clause here:

The clause is figurative. This is an invitation for the young man to join the gang and share their fate. For example:
Come join us. (NCV) (NCV, GNT, CEV, NET)
The clause is literal. The proceeds of the robberies were distributed from a common purse by casting lots. This is an invitation for the young man to cast his lot along with the other members of the gang.

English versions such as the BSB and NIV are ambiguous. They have used wording that refers to the literal practice of casting lots. But the clause “throw in your lot with us” is generally used figuratively in English. If you can translate this clause ambiguously in your language, you may do so. Otherwise, it is recommended that you follow interpretation (1). This invitation better fits the following context in which the father urges his son not to go along with the gang.Whybray (page 40), Delitzsch (page 45), and Waltke (page 193) support the literal meaning. Whybray argues that the expression “to cast lots” is never used figuratively in the OT. UBS (page 39), McKane (page 269), Murphy (page 9), Toy (page 16), and the NET footnote (quoting BDB #5307 and #1486) prefer the figurative interpretation. NIDOTTE (H1598) also gives Proverbs 1:14 as a figurative usage of “lot.”

1:14b

let us all share one purse”—

and we^(incl) will share equally whatever we steal/get.”
you^(sing) will get an equal share of all the loot.”

let us all share one purse: This line ends the quotation of what the “sinners” might say to this young man. The word purse probably represents the money and other possessions that the gang stole from their victims. They promised the young man that he would get an equal share of the wealth:

we’ll all share what we steal (GNT)

We’ll split the loot equally. (GW)

General Comment on 1:14a–b

The first line of this verse functions as an implied “if” clause. The last line expresses the result of the first line. For example:

If you join our gang, you’ll get your share. (CEV)

UTN uW Translation Notes:

Note 1 topic: figures-of-speech / idiom

גּ֭וֹרָ֣לְ⁠ךָ תַּפִּ֣יל בְּ⁠תוֹכֵ֑⁠נוּ

lot_of,your throw among,,us

This is an idiom. It refers to joining with a group of people that will share the same life or destiny. Alternate translation: “You must join us and share our destiny”

Note 2 topic: figures-of-speech / metonymy

כִּ֥יס אֶ֝חָ֗ד יִהְיֶ֥ה לְ⁠כֻלָּֽ⁠נוּ

purse one(ms) will_belong to,all_of,of_us

Here, purse represents the contents of the purse, which would be money and valuables. They are saying that they will share equally whatever they steal. If it would be helpful in your language, you could express the meaning plainly. Alternate translation: “everything that we steal we will share equally”

Note 3 topic: figures-of-speech / exclusive

בְּ⁠תוֹכֵ֑⁠נוּ & לְ⁠כֻלָּֽ⁠נוּ

among,,us & to,all_of,of_us