PROV 23:29 Parallel Verse View

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23:29 OSHB variant note: מדונים: (x-qere) ’מִדְיָנִ֨ים’: lemma_4079 n_1.1.0 morph_HNcmpa id_20BVw מִדְיָנִ֨ים

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Note: Automatic aligning of the OET-RV to the LV is done by some temporary software, hence the OET-RV alignments are incomplete (and may occasionally be wrong).

BrLXX Τίνι οὐαί; τίνι θόρυβος; τίνι κρίσεις; τίνι δὲ ἀηδίαι καὶ λέσχαι; τίνι συντρίμματα διακενῆς; τίνος πελιδνοὶ οἱ ὀφθαλμοί;
(Tini ouai; tini thorubos; tini kriseis; tini de aaʸdiai kai lesⱪai; tini suntrimmata diakenaʸs; tinos pelidnoi hoi ofthalmoi; )

BrTr Who has woe? who trouble? who has quarrels? and who vexations and disputes? who has bruises without a cause? whose eyes are livid?

ULT For whom is woe? For whom is sorrow? For whom are quarrels?
⇔ For whom is a lament? For whom are wounds without reason?
⇔ For whom is dullness of eyes?

UST These are the kind of people who are woeful, sorrowful, and quarrelsome,
⇔ who lament, get hurt for no reason,
⇔ and have red eyes:

BSB Who has woe? Who has sorrow?
⇔ Who has contentions? Who has complaints?
⇔ Who {has} needless wounds? Who has bloodshot eyes?

OEB No OEB PROV book available

WEBBE ⇔ Who has woe?
⇔ Who has sorrow?
⇔ Who has strife?
⇔ Who has complaints?
⇔ Who has needless bruises?
⇔ Who has bloodshot eyes?

WMBB (Same as above)

NET Who has woe? Who has sorrow?
⇔ Who has contentions? Who has complaints?
⇔ Who has wounds without cause? Who has dullness of the eyes?

LSV Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has contentions? Who has complaint? Who has wounds without cause? Who has redness of eyes?

FBV Who's in trouble? Who's in pain? Who's arguing? Who's complaining? Who's injured for no reason? Who's got bloodshot eyes?

T4T I will tell you [RHQ] what kind of people are always miserable and sad.
⇔ I will tell you [RHQ] which people are always causing arguments/quarrels and who are always complaining.
⇔ I will tell you [RHQ] who are injured in fights
⇔ and whose eyes are always red/bloodshot.

LEB • To whom is woe? To whom is sorrow? To whom are quarrels? To whom is complaint? To whom are wounds without cause? To whom is redness of the eyes?

BBE Who says, Oh! who says, Ah! who has violent arguments, who has grief, who has wounds without cause, whose eyes are dark?

Moff Who shriek? who groan?
⇔ Who quarrel and grumble
⇔ Who are bruised for nothing
⇔ Who have bleary eyes?

JPS Who crieth: 'Woe'? who: 'Alas'? who hath contentions? who hath raving? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?

ASV Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions?
⇔ Who hath complaining? who hath wounds without cause?
⇔ Who hath redness of eyes?

DRA Who hath woe? whose father hath woe? who hath contentions? who falls into pits? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?

YLT Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? Who hath contentions? who hath plaint? Who hath wounds without cause? Who hath redness of eyes?

Drby Who hath woe? Who hath sorrow? Who contentions? Who complaining? Who wounds without cause? Who redness of eyes?

RV Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath complaining? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
(Who hath/has woe? who hath/has sorrow? who hath/has contentions? who hath/has complaining? who hath/has wounds without cause? who hath/has redness of eyes? )

SLT To whom wo? to whom want? to whom strife? to whom complaint? to whom wounds gratuitously? to whom dark flashings of the eyes?

Wbstr Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?

KJB-1769 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
(Who hath/has woe? who hath/has sorrow? who hath/has contentions? who hath/has babbling? who hath/has wounds without cause? who hath/has redness of eyes? )

KJB-1611 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath rednesse of eyes?
(Modernised spelling is same as from KJB-1769 above)

Bshps Who hath wo? who hath sorowe? who hath strife? who hath brawling? and who hath woundes without a cause?
(Who hath/has wo? who hath/has sorrow? who hath/has strife? who hath/has brawling? and who hath/has wounds without a cause?)

Gnva To whome is woe? to whome is sorowe? to whom is strife? to whom is murmuring? to whom are woundes without cause? and to whome is the rednesse of the eyes?
(To whom is woe? to whom is sorrow? to whom is strife? to whom is murmuring? to whom are wounds without cause? and to whom is the redness of the eyes? )

Cvdl Where is wo? where is sorow? where is strife? where is braulynge? where are woundes without cause? where be reed eyes?
(Where is wo? where is sorow? where is strife? where is braulynge? where are wounds without cause? where be red eyes?)

Wycl To whom is wo? to whos fadir is wo? to whom ben chidingis? to whom ben dichis? to whom ben woundis with out cause? to whom is puttyng out of iyen?
(To whom is wo? to whose father is wo? to whom been chidingis? to whom been dichis? to whom been wounds with out cause? to whom is putting out of iyen?)

Luth Wo ist Weh? Wo ist Leid? Wo ist Zank? Wo ist Klagen? Wo sind Wunden ohne Ursache? Wo sind rote Augen?
(Where is Weh? Where is Leid? Where is quarrel(n)? Where is complaintn? Where are wounds without cause? Where are rote eyes?)

ClVg [Cui væ? cujus patri væ? cui rixæ? cui foveæ? cui sine causa vulnera? cui suffusio oculorum?[fn]
([To_whom woe? whose to_his_father woe? to_whom rixæ? to_whom foveæ? to_whom without cause vulnera? to_whom suffusio of_the_eyes? )

23.29 Cui væ, cujus. Quærit disputando, etc., usque ad de quo Judæis: Vos ex patre diabolo estis Joan. 8.. Cui rixæ? cui foveæ? Rixæ, quia concordiam non servat, etc., usque ad et sæpissime in foveam incidit, de qua: Fovea enim profunda est meretrix, etc. Cui sine causa vulnera? quia multi nimis potati vulnera per tumorem acceperunt, quæ nulla ferri causa pertulerunt. Cui suffossio oculorum? quia immoderatus haustus vini, et exterioris et interioris visus ingerit cæcitatem.

23.29 To_whom woe, whose. I_am_looking_fort disputando, etc., until to from/about where To_the_Jews: You(pl) from to_his_father devil you_are Yohan 8.. To_whom rixæ? to_whom foveæ? Rixæ, because concordiam not/no keeps, etc., until to and sæpissime in/into/on pit incidit, from/about qua: Fovea because deep it_is prostitute, etc. To_whom without cause vulnera? because many too_much potati vulnera through tumorem they_received, which none iron cause they_endured. To_whom suffossio of_the_eyes? because immoderatus haustus wine, and exterioris and interioris sight(n) ingerit blindtatem.

SOTN SIL Open Translator’s Notes:

Section 22:17–24:22: Here are thirty sayings of wise people

This section follows the main collection of Solomon’s proverbs (10:1–22:16). It differs in significant ways from this preceding section:These differences were summarized from a number of commentaries, including UBS (page 472), Waltke (2004, page 22), and Hubbard (page 351).

The preceding section has mostly two-line proverbs that are one verse in length. This section has proverbs of a different form. They are sayings that range from one to seven verses. Most of the sayings are two or three verses in length. Each saying will be marked as a separate paragraph in the Notes.
Many of the proverbs in the preceding section express a general principle. They are not addressed specifically to the readers. Most of the sayings here contain direct commands. They advise the reader or listener either to follow wise behavior or avoid foolish behavior. Most of the sayings also give a reason or motive for following the command.
As in chapters 1–9, the author addresses his reader or listener as a father who advises his son. He uses second person commands and pronouns (you^(sing)). See the note on 23:15 for a list of verses where the words “my son” occur.

Some other headings for this section are:

Thirty Wise Sayings (CEV)

Words of the Wise (ESV)

Thirty Sayings of the Wise (NIV11)

Verse 22:20 mentions “thirty sayings,” but the Hebrew text itself does not number the sayings. Some versions that use the word “thirty” in the section heading also give a number as a separate heading for each saying. The GNT and CEV start numbering the sayings at 22:22. They have a total of thirty-one paragraphs. In these versions, the first paragraph (22:17–21) serves as an introduction to the thirty sayings (22:22–24:22).Scholars who identify 22:17–21 as the first saying include Hubbard (page 352), Fox (page 707), and Waltke (2004, page 22). Scholars who identify these verses as an introduction to the sayings that follow include Whybray (page 325) and Murphy (page 170). See also the NET footnote (b) on 22:16. Whether these introductory verses form the first saying or simply introduce the following sayings, all scholars agree that they function as an introduction to the whole section. Other versions, such as the NIV, NCV, and NLT, divide the paragraphs in the same way but do not have separate headings for each section. You may use either option in your translation.The NIV11 gives a number as a separate heading for each saying. But it counts the first paragraph as the first saying, and has a total of thirty paragraphs. Other versions have more or fewer paragraphs. For example, the ESV and NRSV have fifteen paragraphs. The NJB has thirty-four. Still other versions, such as the RSV, NET, and NJPS, do not group the verses into sayings or paragraphs.

For the convenience of those who decide to identify the number of each saying in their translation, the Notes will put the number in the paragraph headings, using the same numbering system as the GNT or CEV. These numbers will not be used in the Display.

Paragraph 23:29–35 Saying 18

In this saying, the father indirectly warns his son not to get drunk. He first asks him to identify the kind of person who experiences the effects of drinking (23:29–30). He then warns him to avoid the tempting appearance and taste of wine and gives him a reason for the warning (23:31–32). Finally, he describes what a drunk person imagines, says (23:33) and feels (23:33–34). The last verse gives the drunk person’s concluding words (23:35).UBS (page 506), Fox (page 741), Ross (page 1072).

23:29

In this verse, the father asks the young man six questions. These questions are like a riddle.Hubbard (page 367). They ask the young man to guess the kind of person who is being described.

^29aWho has woe? Who has sorrow?

^29bWho has contentions? Who has complaints?

^29cWho has needless wounds? Who has bloodshot eyes?

Each question has the same answer. The writer gives the answer in 23:30. See the General Comment after the note in 23:30b for a way to reorder these verses.

23:29a

Who has woe? Who has sorrow?

¶ Who has many troubles/problems? Who says, “Oh, I feel miserable!”?
¶ Think^(sing) about the kind of people who are miserable and have many causes for regret.

Who has woe? Who has sorrow?: In Hebrew, the word woe is normally used as an exclamation. The word sorrow is probably used in the same way. These words probably express the drunkard’s feelings of frustration and despair.UBS (page 506), Hubbard (page 367). Fox (page 741) suggests that the drunkard exclaims these words the following morning. Waltke (page 262) agrees that these are cries uttered by the drunkard, but thinks that they express “threat and denunciation” to someone else. For example:

Who groans “Alas!”? Who cries “Woe is me!”?This is Scott’s original translation (page 142). Longman’s translation (page 430) is very similar.

If your language has one or more exclamations that would be appropriate in this context, consider using them here.

You may also use questions that are similar to the BSB. Some other ways to translate these questions are:

Who has trouble? Who has misery? (NLT)

Who continually feels pain and sorrow/remorse?

23:29b

Who has contentions? Who has complaints?

Who is always arguing and complaining?
They are quick to fight with others. They grumble/complain.

Who has contentions?: The word that the BSB translates here as contentions refers to both quarrels and fights. The BSB translates the same Hebrew word as “quarrels” in 18:18. Some other ways to translate this question are:

Who is always fighting? (NLT)

Who argues and fights? (CEV)

Who always causes trouble?This question was adapted from the statement in the GNT.

Who has complaints?: This question may result from the previous one. A person who gets into arguments and fights often has difficulties to complain about. Another way to translate this question is?

Who is always complaining? (NLT)

23:29c

Who has needless wounds? Who has bloodshot eyes?

Whose body is covered with bruises for no good reason? Whose eyes are red?
They don’t remember where their cuts and bruises came from, and their eyes are bleary/bloodshot.

Who has needless wounds?: The phrase needless wounds refers here to the cuts and bruises that a drunk person receives when he gets into a fight. The word that the BSB translates as needless is more literally “without cause.” This word may mean that:

There was no need for a fight. The wounds occurred for no good reason. For example:
Who has unnecessary bruises? (NCV)
Who has bruises that could have been avoided?This question was adapted from the statement in the GNT.
The injured person was not aware of the cause. He may have been too drunk. He may also have been injured by a random blow. For example:
Who gets the bruises without knowing why? (REB)
Who is struck by a random blow?

You may use any of these ideas to translate this question in your language.

Who has bloodshot eyes?: In Hebrew, bloodshot eyes is literally “darkness of eyes.”Fox (page 741). It may refer to:

Eyes that are red or bloodshot. For example:
Whose eyes are red? (CEV)
Eyes that are cloudy or glazed. For example:
Who has bleary eyes? (NJPS)

Both of these fit the context well. They are equally acceptable. Use a natural expression in your language that refers to the eyes of a person who has had too much to drink.

UTN uW Translation Notes:

[23:29](../23/29.md)–[35](../23/35.md) is Saying 18 of the 30 “words of the wise ones.”

Note 1 topic: figures-of-speech / rquestion

לְ⁠מִ֨י א֥וֹי לְ⁠מִ֪י אֲב֡וֹי לְ⁠מִ֤י מדונים ׀ לְ⁠מִ֥י שִׂ֗יחַ לְ֭⁠מִי פְּצָעִ֣ים חִנָּ֑ם לְ֝⁠מִ֗י חַכְלִל֥וּת עֵינָֽיִם

[belongs]_to,whom? woe [belongs]_to,whom? sorrow [belong]_to,whom? strife [belongs]_to,whom? bush/shrub_of [belong]_to,whom? wounds without_cause [belongs]_to,whom? redness_of eyes

The writer uses these questions to prepare the reader for the point he is about to make about “those who linger over wine” in the next verse. If you would not use the question form for this purpose in your language, you could translate this as a statement or an exclamation. Alternate translation: “I will tell you what kind of person has woe, sorrow, quarrels, lament, wounds without reason, and dullness of eyes.”

Note 2 topic: figures-of-speech / abstractnouns

לְ⁠מִ֨י א֥וֹי לְ⁠מִ֪י אֲב֡וֹי לְ⁠מִ֤י מדונים ׀ לְ⁠מִ֥י שִׂ֗יחַ

[belongs]_to,whom? woe [belongs]_to,whom? sorrow [belong]_to,whom? strife [belongs]_to,whom? bush/shrub_of

If your language does not use abstract nouns for the ideas of woe, sorrow, quarrels, and lament, you could express the same ideas in other ways. Alternate translation: “Who is woeful? Who is sorrowful? Who is quarrelsome? Who laments?”

Note 3 topic: figures-of-speech / explicit

חַכְלִל֥וּת עֵינָֽיִם

redness_of eyes